Issayas: This question is more or less political. Even though Eritrea is a different country, in any article or publication relating to Christianity, writing and etc. to Eritrea, I keep reading Ge'ez/Ethiopic Rite of Christianity, etc. Why do you think it's still put under Ethiopic Rite, (Ge'ez might be appropriate)?
Andrew: I would say that the genius of the new approach is not so much attributable to any plan or even to a European zeitgeist but rather to the Italians' recognition that the Eritrean Christians--though seen as deficient in some ways--were fully Christian and so could be trusted as agents not only of Christianity but also of the Italian nation being declared and defined at that moment.
Andrew: Effectively, in the political machinations going on at the time, I do not think it would be overstated that this gave the Italian state direct control of the Church in Eritrea making the evangelization efforts there subject neither to the French-dominated Lazarist Congregation of the Mission nor to the Vatican's own Propaganda Fidea (which would have governed everything as a mission territory). Thus, in this view, Eritrea emerged ECCLESIALLY as formerly under Abyssinian/Ethiopian missionary status to its own Apostolic Prefecture precisely because everything was to be under the direction of the Italian state. This will, I would contend, play an important role in the concomitant development of an Eritrean identity vis-à-vis Tigrayans, et al.
Zmeselo wrote:Comformist, let´s go far back in time and analize this. First of all, you have to remember that Ethiopia is a new name for your nation. For just about a 100-150 years ago, your country was known as Abissinia. Now, Abissinia, as U well know, means land of the habesh. The habesh people, you find them both in today´s Eritrea and Ethiopia. If we talk about the history of the Abissinians in particular, then you find that most of that history begins in the area today called Eritrea. Since Eritrea is the gateway to Africa, every influence that comes from across the sea, is bound to affect the people living in that area than people living further. With this statement I want to say that Eritrea is the mother of Ethiopia and not vice versa. So, in our (eritreans) view, the appropriate name should be Ge´ez rite and not Ethiopic because christianity in our area is much older than Eritrea and Ethiopia. In other words, we eritreans don´t have this view just to become seperate from ethiopians just for separetness sake.
your third point is a little bit mistaken. Let´s quote the guy again: "Thus, in this view, Eritrea emerged ECCLESIALLY as formerly under Abyssinian/Ethiopian missionary status to its own Apostolic Prefecture precisely because everything was to be under the direction of the Italian state. This will, I would contend, play an important role in the concomitant development of an Eritrean identity vis-à-vis Tigrayans, et al." I think it says from uder Abissinian/Ethiopian missionary status to its OWN Apostolic prefecture. Isn´t that the opposite of what U thought when U said: "Here we are told, the Italians themselves placed Eritrea under the Ethiopian classification, since the Italians intended to conquer and rule the whole of Ethiopia."
Who told you eritreans still fell favored by the italians? Why do U insult our intelligence like that? I bet you never sat with eritrean old-folks who lived under the italian times and you would hear horror stories of what the italians were doing to eritreans.
The feelings we´ve towards Ethiopia, you have to remember, is still fresh in our minds and the treatment was savage.
I read some of your posts admitting to that fact as well.- Not only was it savage but it didn´t teach us anything new as the italian colonialism did. In fact, quite the contrary. Ethiopians were seen destroying the little the italians had built, even though they built for their selfish purpose.
The reason we "hate" the ethiopian system (mind U, not the people) is not because we were brainwashed by the europeans but because Ethiopia treated us almost as Hitler treated the jews.
Your last statement is not correct because the italians had conquered your country too and they saw the same "submissiveness" there as in Eritrea. Plus, it ain´t a big deal for a european country at the time, to conquer and submit an area in Africa with a small population of probably 500 000.
Indeed, the stark difference between the open and more or less democratic political system in Eritrea and the closed, autocratic system in Ethiopia was bound to make any unity, and indeed any federal arrangement, unsustainable."
Remember conformist that H/S was smarter than menghistu. What he was trying with eritreans is called assimilation and he succeeded in a little scale but Menghistus´ brutality threw us into one anothers´ arms.
Eritreans in Ethiopia, I believe, worked their azzez off to get what they got but true they were not hindered in their persue.
I and my generation NEVER saw our country at night. We had curfew all these years and after 10 to 11 at night, U don´t see a soul in the streets of Asmara except patrolling derg soldiers. I bet Addis Abeba was free day as night. If one imprisos the whole population like that, what do U call it?
Eritreans contributed to the success of the Adwa war and eritreans fought during the H/S regime as well.
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