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The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Conformist » 15 Aug 2012, 09:27


Spoiler warning.

If you intend to watch the movie don't read the following pragraphs

Spoiler begins ....






I just watched the movei and there are certain scences that are a thinly veil representation of Eritrea.

The Dictator Aladeen rules the nation of Wadiya, which exactly located within the present broders of Eritrea.

The Dictator wears a beard without a moustache, a reverse of Isaias's moustache.

The Dictator hates Israel, alluding to the constant anti-Israel message Isaias broadcasts.

The Dictator has numerous female bodguards, one of them is a big breasted, leathal martial-artist who fights with her breasts, and her name is Ertra.

The Dictator loses his beared and loses his power like Samson on a visit to Ney York City, and was replaced by a double, who became the puppet of The former aide of the Dictator.

Then Aladeen goes incognito and starts working in a catering business owned by an American lesbian woman. he also finds out the entire Wadiyan oppsition islocated in new York and they are plotting to overthrow him.

One day while secretly working for the American lesbian, Aladeen is confronted by Ertra his former bodyguard, she attacks him with the intent to kill. In the struggle Aladeen kills Ertra. What an ominous insinuation.

Finally Aladeen falls in love with the American lesbian and he marries her, after which he is restored to power. After the wife becomes pregnant she reveal to him that she is Jewish and the story ends.


The maker of the movie Sacha Baron Cohen is a Jew, I think he sending a message to Isaias in this movie.


Image
This is Ertra


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This is Wadiya



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Oromay » 15 Aug 2012, 11:00


Actually the storyline is inspired by Ghadafi. Though skillfully Sacha used Eritrean map as wadiya, he referred it as north African state. Since Eritrea is not much known to the audience, the choice suits him well. The way you represented Isaias as anti-Israel is just far from truth. I never heard him talking negative about Israel to the tone of hatred. He established diplomatic relations with Israel and he was consistent with keeping it even under pressure and suspicion from Arab countries. He successfully balanced his relationship with Israel and Arab countries. Once, it was reported that he was treated in Israel for life threatening sickness. About moustash, there is no even relevance as it is not unique to him. His body guards are not female, let alone to talk about virginity. Aladeen was in confrontation with the international community because of his nuclear program and he used oil as a bargain. So Aladeen has clearly in parallel to Gaddafi.

P.S. Here is Sacha talking about his inspiration for the movie the dictator.





Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Conformist » 15 Aug 2012, 11:57


Oromay wrote:Actually the storyline is inspired by Ghadafi.



Yes you are right, the character resembles Gadaffi a lot more than Isaias, but the few references to Eritrea just look like someone is sending a message to the Isaias regime. Of course it may also be done with no such intentions.



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby revolutions » 15 Aug 2012, 12:26



I agree with Conformist that Eritreans should be wary of the British stand up comedian who's made a name for himself by clowning high-ranking Western government officials in televised interviews to entertain his audience. Watch how the comedian hiding behind the veil of a hip hop artist torments Newt Gingrich in a not so veiled way. The guy is dangerously funny! He makes people laugh so hard their ribs hurt. Bruised ribs are no laughing matter.




Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Conformist » 15 Aug 2012, 15:14


revolutions wrote:
I agree with Conformist that Eritreans should be wary of the British stand up comedian who's made a name for himself by clowning high-ranking Western government officials in televised interviews to entertain his audience. Watch how the comedian hiding behind the veil of a hip hop artist torments Newt Gingrich in a not so veiled way. The guy is dangerously funny! He makes people laugh so hard their ribs hurt. Bruised ribs are no laughing matter.




It is important to understand the nature of these people, I know them well, they are dead serious about what they say and do. Even when they say they are joking they are serious. Imagine the death of Ertra in the hands of the dictator, I don't think the Eritreans will find that humorous.


Read this story of a rabbi threatening Hugo Chavez of venezuela,

http://www.aztlan.net/singer_chavez_letter.htm

the rabbi Singer wrote the threatening letter in 2006.

Then in 2008 this game came out,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenarie ... _in_Flames

it is about Mercenaries attacking Venezuela.

You see it's not a game, it's message and a warning to Hugo Chavez, and Chavez got the message and he complained about the threats at the time.

Eritreans have overconfidence in their defensive capabilities. but these are not the kind of men eritrea can tangle with and hope to prevail, they are dangerous men, it is not a good idea to upset them by projecting the image of friendliness with Iran. One of the greatest mistakes Isaias ever made was to invite Ahmadinejad to Eritrea, a very dangerous thing to do.



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby revolutions » 15 Aug 2012, 15:39


Conformist wrote:
revolutions wrote:
I agree with Conformist that Eritreans should be wary of the British stand up comedian who's made a name for himself by clowning high-ranking Western government officials in televised interviews to entertain his audience. Watch how the comedian hiding behind the veil of a hip hop artist torments Newt Gingrich in a not so veiled way. The guy is dangerously funny! He makes people laugh so hard their ribs hurt. Bruised ribs are no laughing matter.




It is important to understand the nature of these people, I know them well, they are dead serious about what they say and do. Even when they say they are joking they are serious. Imagine the death of Ertra in the hands of the dictator, I don't think the Eritreans will find that humorous.


Read this story of a rabbi threatening Hugo Chavez of venezuela,

http://www.aztlan.net/singer_chavez_letter.htm

the rabbi Singer wrote the threatening letter in 2006.

Then in 2008 this game came out,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenarie ... _in_Flames

it is about Mercenaries attacking Venezuela.

You see it's not a game, it's message and a warning to Hugo Chavez, and Chavez got the message and he complained about the threats at the time.

Eritreans have overconfidence in their defensive capabilities. but these are not the kind of men eritrea can tangle with and hope to prevail, they are dangerous men, it is not a good idea to upset them by projecting the image of friendliness with Iran. One of the greatest mistakes Isaias ever made was to invite Ahmadinejad to Eritrea, a very dangerous thing to do.


Do you have a source to the outlandish claim only the stand up comedian Borat is allowed to make?

It's bad enough that we already have too many people whose minds are programmed by Hollywood to confuse fact and fiction, if the Israeli government is using big-screen clowns to send subliminal messages to countries around the world, its the end of the comic, nah, the world as we know it! Look what they've done to you. You can never watch a comedy movie the same way again.



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Conformist » 15 Aug 2012, 15:55


revolutions wrote:Do you have a source to the outlandish claim only the stand up comedian Borat is allowed to make?

It's bad enough that we already have too many people whose minds are programmed by Hollywood to confuse fact and fiction, if the Israeli government is using big-screen clowns to send subliminal messages to countries around the world, its the end of the comic, nah, the world as we know it! Look what they've done to you. You can never watch a comedy movie the same way again.



Image

Image

http://www.president.ir/en/9917

http://www.president.ir/en/9882

Okay, I made an error in saying Ahmadinejad was in Eritrea, but Isaias was in Iran. Do you believe it is prudent for the leader of Eritrea to associate with Ahmadinejad in any way?



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby revolutions » 15 Aug 2012, 17:10


Conformist wrote:
revolutions wrote:Do you have a source to the outlandish claim only the stand up comedian Borat is allowed to make?

It's bad enough that we already have too many people whose minds are programmed by Hollywood to confuse fact and fiction, if the Israeli government is using big-screen clowns to send subliminal messages to countries around the world, its the end of the comic, nah, the world as we know it! Look what they've done to you. You can never watch a comedy movie the same way again.



Image

Image

http://www.president.ir/en/9917

http://www.president.ir/en/9882

Okay, I made an error in saying Ahmadinejad was in Eritrea, but Isaias was in Iran. Do you believe it is prudent for the leader of Eritrea to associate with Ahmadinejad in any way?


The photo you posted above is from 2008. The year when Belgium, Britain, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Japan...etc... were importing Iranian crude oil until NATO imposed the ban earlier this year. If the governments of the aforementioned countries deemed it necessary to have economic and commercial relationship with Iran, who is to tell governments in Africa they can't do the same?

There are two kinds of people in Africa: there are the image-conscious weakest link who must conform to contrived standards for Africans set out by Westerners, and there are those exercising their nations' sovereign prerogative as Africans.

The image-conscious African leaders spend millions of dollars on Washington's image cleaners (read: lobbyists) to enhance their tattered images since it can make the difference between more and less foreign-aid. The sovereign African leaders, on the other hand, have a clear conscience and they laugh at all the false accusations hurled at them as they walk all the way to the bank.

You, Conformist, if you truly believe that all people are created equal, you wouldn't sell yourself short and project an inferiority image of yourself. Go out and meet white people and you will find out that they are featherless, two legged, linguistically conscious creatures born between urine and feces JUST LIKE YOU! And remember that "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." STOP CONSENTING! People respect you only when you respect yourself.



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Conformist » 15 Aug 2012, 20:36


Dear Rev,

I am all for the equality all peoples, but that equality should not be a license for reckless actions. The NEPAD program has opened the door wide for Africa to export to America to earn a great deal of wealth, that's how Japan became such a powerful state. Instead of taking advantage of that, instead of bringing in investors to Eritrea, Isiaias is wasting all these heaven sent opportunities by associating with a mad man llike Ahmadinejad. That's not a very smart move in my view. Eritrea could have easily increased its per-capita income to $5,000 by now, if only Shabia leaders had business sense or if they had listened to the advice of Eritrean businessmen.

Eritreans in general have one major flaw, they still are incapable of controlling their fiery passions. Last year Red Sea actually told me Eritreans would prefer to perish as a nation than to sacrifice their national pride. How can that be a sensible outlook. You can't eat national pride, when your children are hungry you can't give them national preide, you need bread. A little humility and diplomacy can accomplish a lot in relieving the suffering of the people, but it is not really smart to always say WE WILL NEVER KNEEL DOWN, every time compromise becomes a necessity.

Also there is nothing wrong with hiring Washington lobbyists, not for foreign aid but to attract invstment and to facilitate export of Eritrean products. Lobbying is a legitimate political activity from which the Eritrean masses can benefit much.

But you have to know, my knowledge of Eritrea is not deep, I am only speaking from the superficial knowledge I have, so I could be wrong, but to me it looks like the Isiaias regime needs to listen to the western powers, it needs to compromise and negotite, that's how the whole world works.

In the bush you can say "my way or the highway" when dealing with the international community you need plenty of diplomacy and tact.



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Oromay » 15 Aug 2012, 22:54


Conformist wrote:
But you have to know, my knowledge of Eritrea is not deep, I am only speaking from the superficial knowledge I have, so I could be wrong, but to me it looks like the Isiaias regime needs to listen to the western powers, it needs to compromise and negotite, that's how the whole world works.

In the bush you can say "my way or the highway" when dealing with the international community you need plenty of diplomacy and tact.


To a greater extent I agree with you here. But the problem is not different in Eritrea. There is one fundamental flaw that keeps Africa to state of ash. Its not even the lack of democracy, as democracy is a process for better or worse. The great problem is however leaders stay there more than they are needed. If you witness change of a leader in Africa within a decade, it is phenomenal. They stay there until they stink. No news face, no new idea, no new institution...same old same. That I can't stand it more than anything else. It sucks!!

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