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Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Zmeselo » 18 Aug 2012, 09:55


Comformist, all these accusations have already been debunked. PIA, invited, anyone interested to come and visit the areas concerned and find out if there´s any iranian base or whatever there. No one took the invitation because they know the falsehood of the claim. Look, we fought for our freedom not to open a base here or a base there for some country or another but to be free and independent. Eritrea would´ve offered a base to the US instead if it wanted to come out of the radar but no, why should we?
Our relationship with Iran is no different than our relationship with other countries. Why should we shun Iran only because some countries do? We´ve our own independent way of doing things and that should be applauded by everyone.

As for al shabaab, I hoped U know better than that as an ethiopian that Eritrea and al-shabaab are totally incopatible and Eritrea was threatened by al-shabaab as a secular state hence and enemy. It´s the weyanes and America who created the shabaab through their misguided invasion and when it went heywire they started blaming Eritrea. As simple as that!



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Red Sea » 18 Aug 2012, 09:56


Comformist, even though you initially, from the bottom of your heart agreed or convinced that Eritrea must be doing its best to be a fully independent nation and an example to the rest of Africa, you yourself actually opened this thread by giving it a title "The Dictator (2012) A veiled story of Eritrea" and even believed the fictiouse movie to depict Eritrea. I know, I know you are going to tell me that some other white man said and you are just quoted him or her. And that is an indication that you are a victim of the white man's grand agenda to make Eritrea look like as a failed state for you are echoing to what the enemy is saying.
Again as much as I read what you been writing in this thred, all indications is that you are impressed of what we are achieving as a country and as a people in a short period of time. And do not assume that Eritrea and Eritreans are not producing the likes of what you said we should:
Furnitures (the best in the world), shoes, leathery items outfits, pastas of diferent kinds, juices from different fruits (even from beles), marvelouse marbles and statues of different sizes and known characters, boats and yatches, spare parts of such and spare parts of trains.
In the infastructure arena, there is no country in the entire of Africa whose cities, villages and towns are connected like in Eritrea, there is no other country in the continent which has more electricity distribution to its citizens like Eritrea.
Brother Comformist, these are the tips of the biggest iceberg in the world of what we are doing. Now, here we go on why we are not able to export things as we would like or on why we are unabale to teach the rest of the Africans to get out of their miseries.
And certainly it is not the lack of diplomacy. It is because of the corrupt nations which are sourrounding us who hate to see a young nation to step on their old wrinkled faces and try to go where all of them are not willing to go. I mean, instead of being a part of the neighborhood who will be there for ever they chose some one who is coming from off shores for its short benefit, neglecting their own benefit and are willing to make its bidding, by concocting evil wishes and false fabrication after another just to make you and some others to believe that Eritrea is a failed state and hence are becoming an obstacle on us not only from exporting our goods but even are trying their nasty acts of trying to stop us the dispora nationals from paying our obligation of our citizenary (legally all citizens of all nations do that in much greater amount-percentagn than us the Eritreans) and even trying to persuade the international community not to buy our precious gold, silver and etc.
Well, we did not get our freedom by diplomacy ( by the way-we tried that too) or by way of talking our way in Pal Talk rooms or in such forums and we are certainly are not willing to play one way dipomacy (do not ever assume that we are not trying) to do what we have to do and as usual we will succeed.
Again, I believe diplomacy, when it comes at the UN head quarters is defined as a dictatorship and when it comes to the African nations except in Eritrea is defined as Africans begging.

PS:
I hate to talk about ethiopia now but let's talk on the double standard of the world view of Eritrea against ethiopia:

Are not ethiopians defecting in much bigger number than Eritreans. You might read it here and there, but the international media (a tool of the slave nations) never mention that ethiopians are defecting because they are being oppressed by a dictatorial regime. When they report such, and when it comes to Eritrea, two third of the article is talking about Isayas and how Eritrea was with ethiopia, (Eritrea was with Italy, Egypt, Turkey..but not a mention) Eritrea is distibilizing the region, Eritrea is jailing journalists (more ethiopian are actually in jail) and sh**t like that.

Well, we the majority of the Eritreans are the real mouth pieces of Eritrea and we will make all the enemies eat their words sooner or later just like we did in 1991 and in 1998-2000.
The only advice we have is..."If you can not beat them join them" for thay sake for we are immune to miseries and hard times. We always come out smelling like fresh cut Roses.
Brother Comformist I wish there were more of your kind, Revolution, Zimeslo and some others in this forum so that we can discuss issues concerning the region. But it is very hard to just sit back and watch low lives like awushaw, akele, rocha, halafi mengedi, mini-dick-licker and some others knowingly lie and fabricate things over and over to digress from the core subject. But good for us the Eritreans we are more than capable of double slapping our enemies. We the Eritreans are the real deal. We are the most peace loving people and we can be too damn ridged and even willing to put our necks in the chopping block for our nation's and people's interests and above all, we believe what is ours is ours and if a stranger or a guest comes to...he/she need to abide by our laws or else unlike some we know who always get dictated where to sit, what to eat, what to do or what to say by the guest inside their own home.



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby nakfa » 18 Aug 2012, 11:02


Conformist

Them four points that you made regarding have all proven to be wrong.

Conformist, as you are a non eritrean, I know what your thinking, everytime you read about eritrea, its all negative probably, and you probably think to yourself, what is going on there, you probably think its a disater in eritrea. But I gurantee, if you were to read everything about eritrea which these western media talk about through their propoganda campaign, you would be greatly suprised, you would probably think you were in a differently to what you assumed fron reading. If you actually went to eritrea to see for your self.

There is a massive western campaign to undermine eritrea and destroy it through lies and fairtale stories.

Firstly, if these so called people really cared about justice and fairness, these so called sancctions that have been put on eritrea, they would of lifted the sanction of eritrea by now.

A leaked UN report has already confirmed that there is no evidence that eritrea supports al shebab. But yet, they have still put eritrea under sanctions, trying to find another baseless reason to prevent eritrea and eritreans from focusing on the real important thing. This is double standards.

But you are right, eritrea has to continually fight for its poltical, militarilly, and social independence.
But thankfully there are a lot of eritreans, like some on here, that are aware of the dangers eritrea is facing and are fighting day and night to protect its soverienty.



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Red Sea » 18 Aug 2012, 11:14


1. Eritrea is allied with Iran(a nation under the dark cloud of war with the west.)
So, you believe on if you are the friend of my enemy you are my enemy scenario?
2. Eritrea has allowed Iran docking rights in the Assab, and has allowed Iranian troops a military base there.
Fabricated news. Big lie.
3. Eritrea is involved in the smuggling of iranian weapons to Hams through Sudan and the Sinai.
Tell them to show you the proof.
4. Eritrea is giving military aid to the Shababa.
It was debunked as a woyane made up story by ESMG.

By the way, you forgot to mention the invisible 2000 Eritrean troops who were stationed in Somalia and the two Eritrean sophisticated invisible stealth cargo planes who were "seen" transporting arms to the alshabab?

Comformist I gave up on you my brother. Go ahead close your eyes and believe what ever you want to believe. We are not going to bleed our mouths to convince you or the world that there are people residing in the sun. Because there are none.
Eritrea's policy concerning Somalia is to let its people to solve their own problem with out being told like ethiopia what is better for them by some one who has a vested interest in the region.
It is seen as if it is supporting the alshabab, because it refused to join the inept EGAD to destroy Somalia.

Be all the above may be, and not that I am admitting that we did all the above, who the hell is any one to tell us to who we can invite in our own home. Why is woyane hosting the American drones inside its territory? Why is woyane hosting Eritrean opposition groups in ethiopia?
Why are you putting the USA and Israel in a pedestal?
USA got problems with the human rights of the Chinese governement, but it is kissing its azzez as we speak. Israel is the Nazi of the 21st century towards the blacks and the Palestinians. But it is one of the USA best friends. Ethiopia under the woyane is a genocidal regime in the Ogaden region-second to none, but it is treated with a special gloves. The Arabs are the most repressive governments when it comes to women, but they are being treated with dignity by the so called the police of the world.
And guess what? Eritrea is the most peace full country in Africa. Eritrea is one of the only handful nations in Africa which fullfiled the millenium human progress goals. And it is only 21 years old.
Can't you see that there is something wrong here...I mean the double standard? Being punished for being a bad example of doing good things.
And do you know why the world is the way it is right now. It is because of countries like yours and people like you who look intelligent but refuse to see what is hiden under all the intention of the western nations.
Again let's take ethiopia for example:
Ethiopia could have been as rich as the Saudis only by its coffee only if it can harnest it to the fullest itself. You export your coffee beans to the west, they process it to the end result and then in turn you import your own coffee, packaged with American or the UK flag on it, with more cost to ethiopia and then they open up a Star Bucks cafe and you people say "gitty up" ethiopia opened up Star bucks in Africa. Little did you know that they are employing their own people in their own country, making their people's lives comfortabe with your product, while your people are back broken to pick up the beans. And this is done by diferent treaties, so that your governments can not even reverse it if it wants to. I mean if you want to do what they are doing with your own coffee, (stop exporting the bean and process it yourself to the end upto exporting it as a ready made drink) they will punish you according to the agreements you singed by withholding other aid or stop you from exporting your fresh flowers and etc.
Man open your eyes. It is virtual colonization at its best.
And again, you are jumping up and down that you bought the new dream liner planes. The first not only in Africa but in the world except in Japan. That is a way to tie you for centuries to pay for them or else scenario. How stupid can the woyane be to purchase what the UK, Italy, Brazil, the Soviet Union, France, South Africa, the Arab countries and many more rich countries who can afford them did not get them?
There is a saying in tigrigna and it goes like this:
'CHIRRUS BI'AKMAS B'ISIGEM TIHUGEM" I don't know how to translate it in English but let me try this way:
'KNOWING YOUR LIMIT AND YOUR ABILITY IS A WISDOM". I hope that is close enough.

PS:
Comformist, drop it. If you want to know the truth ask us the real Eritreans concerning Eritrea. Stop, believing and posting what they tell you. I am starting to believe that you do believe it and are trying to do their job by spreading it further. Every thing you posted are lies, are fabricated news and they are derived because Eritrea is on their way from recolonizing Africa in a virtual way.


PEACE!!!!!!!!



Re: The Dictator (2012): A veiled story of Eritrea

Postby Conformist » 18 Aug 2012, 12:34


Dear Z,

You say the accusations have all been debunked, of course you don't need to convince me because i have no ill wish towards Eritrea, but from what I hear the western leaders don't seem to be convinced, i don't know what can be done to convince them, but they insist Shabia is with the bad guys. but the good news is Woyane is falling apart, once Woyane is gone i don't think Eriitrea will have trouble with the west concerning al shbabab, the death of Woyane is going to solve a lot of problems.

Dear Nakfa,

I think you and I can agree the west doesn't give a s**t about justice and equality. So no disagreement between you and me on that point.

Dear Red Sea,

So, you believe on if you are the friend of my enemy you are my enemy scenario?


Not me, that's what the west believes. Iran is now considered a prime target for complete eradication by the west, and to even be suspected of being associated with iran is a very dangerous thing for eritrea, I don't think you national interests can be served by appearing to be friendly with iran.

Be all the above may be, and not that I am admitting that we did all the above, who the hell is any one to tell us to who we can invite in our own home.


They are powerful, they are dangerous, Eritrea is in now way any match for them. That's why it is not advisable to cause them to turn violent, because Eritrea really has no way of defending herself against western violence. Eritrea must know her limitation, she can defend herself against Woyane, but if the Americans decide to turn nasty the outcome is not good. You often talk about doing what is best in your national interests, being friendly with iran at this dangerous moment is not in your best national interests.

Why is woyane hosting the American drones inside its territory?


Do you really want to compare yourselves with Woyane? Woyane hosts America because it is getting paid for it, pure and simple. Woyane will do any thing for US dollars.

Why is woyane hosting Eritrean opposition groups in ethiopia?


There is a difference, the Eritrean opposition groups are actually being organized by the CIA, so it doesn't upset the west. Al Shabab actually is seen as a security threat by the west, so you can't compare the two at the international level. Woyane is helping the puppets of the west, Shabia is accused of supporting the enemies of the west, it is immaterial whether the accusation is true or not, as soon as the west accuses of anything you are in trouble.
Why are you putting the USA and Israel in a pedestal?


Because they are dangerous, ruthless and violent. They are not the kind of nations you want to be against you, especially if you are a nation struggling for your very existence.

You are talking as if i am a Woyane, I know Woyane is destroying Ethiopia, I know Ethiopia is being sold to foreigners. i also know Eritrea has some excellent educational and economic policies. there is nothing I or any other Ethiopian can do as long as Woyane rules. But Eritrea can do better, $700 per capita income for Eritrea is too low, it can be increased five-fold within a few years with proper investment.

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