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Re: seriously, can someone explain to me the benefit of Land grab by foreigners?

Postby Conformist » 02 Dec 2011, 10:43


fikre_hizb wrote:Comformist,

If farming is the real reason behind it, why not first encourage Ethiopian businesses to enter into the farming industry? There was virtually no attempt or encouragement from the government side to encourage local businesses to enter into the farming business for the last 20 years. I think agriculture and food self-sufficiency is one of the most neglected issues for the last 20 years. The exception being of course cash crops. How many times have the opposition, IMF, the world bank and the donor community asked the government to change the land policy just to encourage the business community to have access to farming land? And all their request were met by fierce resistance by the government. So I don't think farming alone can explain the reason behind such huge land grab policy. There must be something else.


Have you heard of meret larashu, Derg parceled out sufficient plots to allow individuals to live off the land, but few took the offer, because those who love farming already had enough land when Derg arrived. So giving new land didn't help the majority of the idle, because they had no desire to work the land. Even during imperial times there was plenty of virgin land if you were willing to go to the remote areas.

While visiting Ethiopia recently I made a point of asking a Woyane official about land grants, he told me land is available for those who want to use it collectively, he said if 12 people can form either a farm or housing co-op the land would be given to them at no cost. So what more do the people need, Woyane is not denying them the right to work collectively for their economic betterment.



Re: seriously, can someone explain to me the benefit of Land grab by foreigners?

Postby fikre_hizb » 02 Dec 2011, 12:45


Conformist wrote:
fikre_hizb wrote:Have you heard of meret larashu, Derg parceled out sufficient plots to allow individuals to live off the land, but few took the offer, because those who love farming already had enough land when Derg arrived. So giving new land didn't help the majority of the idle, because they had no desire to work the land. Even during imperial times there was plenty of virgin land if you were willing to go to the remote areas.

While visiting Ethiopia recently I made a point of asking a Woyane official about land grants, he told me land is available for those who want to use it collectively, he said if 12 people can form either a farm or housing co-op the land would be given to them at no cost. So what more do the people need, Woyane is not denying them the right to work collectively for their economic betterment.


Conformist,

if you just believe what a woyane official told you without scrutinizing it, then I can not help you. What do you expect him to say? Did you expect him to say "no, we don't allow that"? And what kind of business is that, "we will give you land when you come as co-op of 12 people" blah blah? We are talking about real business here not GEBERE MAHBER! In no other business is the business community asked to come as co-op of 12 person etc. It is nonsense. It just confirms what I said before that the government was and still is not serious about agriculture development! If you put this kinds of obstacles to any other business, you are deemed to fail. This can by no means be seen as promoting the agriculture sector but on the contrary it is hindering the private sector to seriously engage in the agriculture business. This was the policy of the government all those 20 years.

You have to differentiate between two separate things. First is the fact that the locals are not effective in farming, which is true. But the second is what has the government done to encourage the local business community and the private sector to enter into the farming business? None! Compare it for example to the service sector like banking, insurance or construction etc. The private business is way far involved in these sectors than the agriculture sector and the government has done nothing to change this. It always discouraged the private business from acquiring land for agriculture.

I could have understood the land grab if the government took the agriculture sector seriously in the last 20 years and tried everything to promote the local business to enter in the farming sector and if this fails and as a last solution would go for land grab. But none is true. So your idea that the locals are not effective in farming do not explain the land rush we are currently witnessing. But that is what I'm interested in. My question is focused to seek to understand the land rush. Why the current land rush? What is the real reason behind it? In my view, your assumption did not answer the core question.



Re: seriously, can someone explain to me the benefit of Land grab by foreigners?

Postby Conformist » 02 Dec 2011, 14:25


fikre_hizb wrote:But that is what I'm interested in. My question is focused to seek to understand the land rush. Why the current land rush? What is the real reason behind it? In my view, your assumption did not answer the core question.


I see your point, and I don't know enough to answer this question, but the land acquisition does sound sinister when you express it that way. Perhaps if we wait a little long we will have the answer, because 2012 appears to be set to become a very eventful year.



Re: seriously, can someone explain to me the benefit of Land grab by foreigners?

Postby Aragaw » 02 Dec 2011, 14:38


Land grabbing in Ethiopia: Legal lease or stolen soul?
By Philipp Hedemann Street News Service | Last updated: Nov 30, 2011 - 5:31:54 PM
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ADDIS ABABA (IPS/GIN) - Kneeling in the middle of a sugar cane field in blistering 40 degree heat, a young boy is digging up weeds while an Indian worker stands over him to make sure he does not miss any. Red is eight-years-old and earns 73 pence ($1.16) for one day’s work—less than the cost of using pesticides.

By exporting food produced by child labor in Ethiopia, an Indian farm manager hopes to earn millions within three years. “It’s still total wilderness here, but we will soon start growing sugar cane and palm oil and everything will look tidy,” explains Karmjeet Singh Sekhon as he drives in a Toyota 4x4 through the burning bush land on his farm.

The 68-year-old Indian is the manager of a huge farm, which covers an area of 247,105 acres in Western Ethiopia. Soon he wants to farm 741,316 acres, an area bigger than Luxembourg.

Since 2008 there has been an unprecedented rush to secure farmland in Africa, South America and Asia. This is a result of the rise and fluctuation in food prices on world markets, which has seen food riots in a number of countries. Countries such as India, China and the Gulf states want to feed their growing populations, but are also looking to position themselves in the race to produce bio-fuels.

The World Bank says 11.9 million acres of farmland were leased in 2009—up from only 9.8 million a year between 2006 and 2008. It is estimated that by 2030 another 14.8 million acres will be leased annually in developing countries, two-thirds in sub-Saharan Africa and South America.

Maize, rice, wheat, soy, sorghum, sesame, sugar cane and oil seeds are the main commodities. The World Bank sees both opportunities and risks.

“These large land acquisitions can come at a high cost. The veil of secrecy that often surrounds these land deals must be lifted so poor people don’t ultimately pay the heavy price of losing their land,” said former World Bank managing director Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala.

In the world’s thirteenth poorest country, the race for the country’s most productive agricultural land has only just begun and the social and environmental consequences are unforeseeable. According to the UN, 4.5 million people in Ethiopia are currently in need of aid as a result of a devastating drought. The majority of the food aid is imported from abroad.

“No problem,” says farm manager Sekhon. “Some parts of our production remain in the country, and through the export Ethiopia gains hard currency to buy at the world market.”
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An Ethiopian farmer uses cows to till a field and make a terrace in the Amhara highlands outside the historic village of Lalibela, Ethiopia. Photo: EPA/STEPHEN MORRISON

There is no law in Ethiopia to ensure that a certain percentage remains in the country. Karuturi marketing and logistics boss Birinder Singh makes no secret of the fact that his company is commercially orientated. They will sell to those who pay most, whoever that may be.

Eighty-five percent of Ethiopia’s population of 80 million live off the land, and little has changed over the past 100 years: most of the tiny fields are still worked using ox-drawn ploughs and the yields are low.

The government hopes that leasing farmland to foreign investors will lead to a wave of modernization. According to the Food and Agricultural Organization, food production needs a 70 percent boost between 2010 and 2050 to meet global needs.

All Ethiopian land—just over 284 million acres—belongs to the state. According to the government, three-quarters of it are suitable for agriculture, but so far only 37 million acres are cultivated.

The government has now assigned some 8.9 million acres to foreign and domestic investors. About two-and-a-half acres of land costs between $6 and $231 a year to rent, and the contract periods are between 20 and 45 years. Critics say the developing world is being sold off.

But Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi rejects the attacks as “ill-informed” or even “ill-intentioned.” “We want to develop our land to feed ourselves rather than admire the beauty of fallow fields while we starve,” President Zenawi said.

It is not surprising that the Ethiopian government has become the darling of international agribusiness investors. “There is plenty of good land, enough water, a cheap labor force, and a stable government that ensures law and order,” says Karuturi’s Singh.

According to Esayas Kebede, head of the state agency which is responsible for the land leases, Ethiopia benefits in many ways from the deals. “By exporting food, we will receive dollars, the farms provide jobs, they import know how, they will help us to boost productivity and therefore to improve food security,” says Mr. Kebede.

But many local farmers are not convinced. Ojwato is one of them. It only takes him a few minutes to cross his two acre field on foot, while Mr. Sekhon takes several hours to cover his by jeep.

The idea that his neighbor’s harvests are being exported while he and his country regularly receive food aid makes Ojwato angry. “The foreigners promised to bring electricity, water and hospitals. But in the end only a few of us have worked in their fields and the pay was poor,” the farmer says.

“We always pay the national minimum wage,” Mr. Singh claimed.

“Nobody is forced to work on the farm,” Mr. Kebede says. However, many children labor on the fields.

Though his family could use some extra money from child labor, Ojwato forbids his children to work on the Indian farm. One day they shall become doctors, teachers or engineers, he says. But therefore they need to go to school, instead of working on the fields.

Not all parents are as far-sighted as Ojwato: “Sometimes only five out of 60 students are attending class. The others are working at the fields,” says Tigaba Tekle, deputy headmaster of a school near the Karuturi farm.

Officially, only uninhabited land is used for the giant farms, but human rights groups fear that people are forced to leave their land. As a matter of fact, a state-run relocation program is currently taking place in Western Ethiopia.

According to the government, there is no link between the relocation and the farm projects; everybody moves voluntarily. Human right groups doubt this, and the author was obstructed several times during the research for this article. The official reason given was: “We don’t want you to gather politically unwanted information.”

As well as human rights organizations, environmentalists also have a problem with the farms. Some four decades ago, 40 percent of Ethiopia was covered by forest, but today it is less than three percent—and the bush land in Gambella is burning.

Farm manager Sekhon does not hide his lack of interest in environmental concerns. For him, it is important to develop the farm, and he is behind his ambitious schedule. To catch up, little Red and his friends must continue weeding.



Re: seriously, can someone explain to me the benefit of Land grab by foreigners?

Postby fikre_hizb » 02 Dec 2011, 18:58


No single government supporter tried to explain the huge land grab. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Government supporters,
please try to answer my question. I'm still waiting. Don't you think you have a responsibility to know about this kind of very serious matter? Is this issue not beyond any party affiliation and a concern for every citizen? I encourage you to seek an answer from the government you support and if you have satisfactory answer then please let me know. I'm really all ears!



Re: seriously, can someone explain to me the benefit of Land grab by foreigners?

Postby EPRDF » 03 Dec 2011, 14:10


fikre_hizb

Ethiopia has an estimated 75M hectare of arable land, and out of this millions of hectare land the government has only offered less than three million hectare of the land in remote areas for foreign investors so far. The government allocated less than 5% of unutilized land for foreigners and it’s nothing comparing to the size of uncultivated land we have. Besides, the locals in particular and the country in general will definitely benefit out of these huge investments in a long term.
Roads, transport terminals, schools and clinics for locals, fuel stations and depots will be built in the environs besides thousands of new jobs that will be created and above all the foreign currency and the taxation money the country will earn would also be a paramount.

The above is merely my opinion, and I don’t have much info on the detailed policy and provisions on this land leasing issue. But my instinct tells me it is very positive. Anyways, we have been starved while we have been watching this same land for the last three grand years right? So why not give it a try for different approach in our generation? It might work, if not we will reverse it back, it is leased not sold, and it is still our land. Isn’t it?

I hope this link might add some insight.

A leaked Cable of US Embassy Addis Ababa presents a fairly informative analyzes the issues of foreign Agricultural investment in Ethiopia.

The Cable was prepared on Dec 2009 based on inputs from ‘local Economic and Commercial Specialists’ and a wide range of domestic and foreign stakeholders from Nov 30 to Dec. 2, 2009. The Embassy conducted the analysis ‘in order to investigate "agro-imperialism" claims made in [late 2009] Washington Post and New York Times articles’.

The Cable raises a number of questions and suggests ‘whether [it] produces a win/win result for the Ethiopian people and the investors depends on the implementation details.’ Interestingly, the Cable concludes remarking:

Prime Minister Meles and the GoE (Government of Ethiopia] have historically proven to be crafty negotiators. So much so that investors have often walked away or do not even bid on privatization tenders offered by the government. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume the GoE is not "giving away the farm" during these investment negotiations and has a reasonable overall plan.
http://danielberhane.wordpress.com/2011 ... -ethiopia/



Re: seriously, can someone explain to me the benefit of Land grab by foreigners?

Postby Halafi Mengedi » 03 Dec 2011, 14:35


EPRDF wrote:fikre_hizb

Ethiopia has an estimated 75M hectare of arable land, and out of this millions of hectare land the government has only offered less than three million hectare of the land in remote areas for foreign investors so far. The government allocated less than 5% of unutilized land for foreigners and it’s nothing comparing to the size of uncultivated land we have. Besides, the locals in particular and the country in general will definitely benefit out of these huge investments in a long term.
Roads, transport terminals, schools and clinics for locals, fuel stations and depots will be built in the environs besides thousands of new jobs that will be created and above all the foreign currency and the taxation money the country will earn would also be a paramount.

The above is merely my opinion, and I don’t have much info on the detailed policy and provisions on this land leasing issue. But my instinct tells me it is very positive. Anyways, we have been starved while we have been watching this same land for the last three grand years right? So why not give it a try for different approach in our generation? It might work, if not we will reverse it back, it is leased not sold, and it is still our land. Isn’t it?

I hope this link might add some insight.

A leaked Cable of US Embassy Addis Ababa presents a fairly informative analyzes the issues of foreign Agricultural investment in Ethiopia.

The Cable was prepared on Dec 2009 based on inputs from ‘local Economic and Commercial Specialists’ and a wide range of domestic and foreign stakeholders from Nov 30 to Dec. 2, 2009. The Embassy conducted the analysis ‘in order to investigate "agro-imperialism" claims made in [late 2009] Washington Post and New York Times articles’.

The Cable raises a number of questions and suggests ‘whether [it] produces a win/win result for the Ethiopian people and the investors depends on the implementation details.’ Interestingly, the Cable concludes remarking:

Prime Minister Meles and the GoE (Government of Ethiopia] have historically proven to be crafty negotiators. So much so that investors have often walked away or do not even bid on privatization tenders offered by the government. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume the GoE is not "giving away the farm" during these investment negotiations and has a reasonable overall plan.
http://danielberhane.wordpress.com/2011 ... -ethiopia/


EPRDF,

The question is not Meles leased Ethiopian arable lands big or small percentage, rather what is the benefit giving away your land for pennies while so many Ethiopian youths are jobless around the cities in the counry???

What the hell Meles allowed so many luxury imported goods a few Addis Ababa elite manipulators to enjoy it instead of importing tractors and other modern farming equipments and deploy our energetic youths in the leased virgin fertile lands and produce crops domestic market all ordinary people to buy them at a cheaper price and have relative quality life???

If you were the leader of your ethnic as separate nation would you lease your most virgin fertile lands for pennies your people would not benefit them except watch the vast green lands across the river and hills???



Re: seriously, can someone explain to me the benefit of Land grab by foreigners?

Postby fikre_hizb » 03 Dec 2011, 21:51


EPRDF,

I would like to thank you first for your response.

As Halafi rightly pointed out it is not about the percentage of the size of the land, which in my view is still very huge land, but the benefit Ethiopia gets in the long run. In a country of some 13 million people, who live on food aid, either in the form of safety net (Migib LeSira) or direct food aid, the concept of giving fertile land to foreigners who will produce food exclusively for export is very mind-boggling. Your argument of building roads etc. is currently being achieved without sacrificing such huge land. And the other benefits you listed are very marginal compared to the price we are paying. The guaranteed tax the foreigners will pay is also very low. So the income Ethiopia may get can not justify the huge cost in my view.

If you have 13 million people on handout, should it be not your first priority to be food self sufficient? Even in Addis, the government has started distributing IMPORTED wheat at a low cost. What does that say to you? We can not even produce enough wheat to meet the demand of the local market. Why not focus first to be food self sufficient by encouraging private business to involve in mechanized farming by giving them incentives like tax free imports of agricultural tools, giving them farming lands easily, promoting food production for the local market, promoting food processing industry etc. This could have created a very huge local market like in food processing industry and so created millions of jobs. But the government has done almost nothing in encouraging the local private business to engaging in framing and also is not targeting to satisfy the ever growing demand of the local market.

And if you do give away this kind of huge land, why not do it transparently so that the long term impacts first be studied based on the experiences of other countries, which seems to be very devastating. Why not bring it to the parliament and the media to have open discussion? Why is this crucial national interest matter handled in secret and the government is silent about it. Why make it a secret if it really is to benefit the country? And most of the land is given away by force, displacing local people from their ancestral land. Why not instead change the land policy and give the owners of the land an opportunity to freely sell their land instead of forced displacement? And if you want expertise transfer, then why not insist that a foreign company must do the farming industry business only in joint venture with an Ethiopian. In other sectors it is a must that a foreign company must do business only with a joint venture with a local business. This helps the transfer of expertise. All this aspects are not considered in the land grab undertaking.

All in all it is for me not convincing at all. Sacrificing such huge land for obviously minimal benefit is simply not convincing in my view.

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