Comformist is committing the same mistake his forefathers committed. Only because Eritrea strategically withdrew from the contest to get it back later, this guy thinks the wey-anus won the war. The reason meles chose arbitration, for ur information, is because he knew what was coming. He dared invade Eritrea and was scared to death of a counterattack. And he was right. If he had waited for the counterattack to happen, he wouldn´t be in power today. I´m not saying this to aggrandize shaebia unneccessarily but just to inform U: Meles knows shaebia and what they´re capable of, much better than you and he chose smartly there.

Halafi,

it is not about "courage" or "gut" or bravery or whatever. It is about organizational structure and strength. Ask yourself why a coward guy like Meles can remove and throw out many so called brave Ethiopians? If it was about bravery, many who are actually brave fighters like Siye & Co. would have won against Meles. So, your call for Tigreans to stand against Meles will have little effect, if you ask me, because of the lack of organizational structure that can organize the resistance against Meles.

Because of his organizational control, Meles can put anyone into prison. Today any movement inside Tigray is absolutely controlled by Meles & gang. So how can you expect unorganized people to challenge a dictatorial machinery with thousands of spys, cadres etc? Individuals are afraid and intimidated and an alternative strong organization is non existant. In this kind of atmosphere any sporadic individual or group resistant will be dealt quickly.

All in all, the badme case is a lost case. Just accept the hard fact. You can not change it any more! No talk of bravery can change the hard fact. It is over!

Comformist is committing the same mistake his forefathers committed. Only because Eritrea strategically withdrew from the contest to get it back later, this guy thinks the wey-anus won the war. The reason meles chose arbitration, for ur information, is because he knew what was coming. He dared invade Eritrea and was scared to death of a counterattack. And he was right. If he had waited for the counterattack to happen, he wouldn´t be in power today. I´m not saying this to aggrandize shaebia unneccessarily but just to inform U: Meles knows shaebia and what they´re capable of, much better than you and he chose smartly there.

You Eritrean nationalists have trouble seeing the simple truth about Ethiopia's potential power, if Ethiopia had the capacity to unite then Eritrea wouldn't stand a chance against Ethiopia. The greatest strength of Eritrea is is Ethiopian disunity. That's why I think meles is the best friend of Eritrea, he keeps Ethiopians divided, and that is what will eventually give Eritrea the victory.

In 2000 the Ethiopian people had given a unanimous support for the war, that's why Shabia was defeated, but Shabia calls its defeat a "strategic withdrawal", when in reality it was a catastrophic defeat. Meles saved Shabia by recalling the victorious Ethiopian army, to make matters worse Meles was the one who proposed the Algiers peace agreement with the full knowledge he was helping Eritrea. He even proposed the EEBC arbitration which was designed to help Eritrea. There is nothing Meles didn't do to help Eritrea throughout his career. I am convinced if Melese leads the next war, he will lead the Ethiopian army to the slaughter, because Meles is still deeply in love with Eritrea and he hates Ethiopia with the most deadly hate. You Eritreans must thank God Meles is in power, he is your best friend and helper.

Meles would love to build a villa in Asmara if he could and would spend his vacation here. If you think Meles hates Eritrea then you really don't know the man.

Brother Comformist,

You are making a grave error as brother Zmeslo indicated. Meles Zenawi has no special love for Eritrea. rather, he has this twisted dream or idea that somehow and some day, Eritrea and Ti-gray will be one country. Meles spent much of his time during the revolution period as a propagandist and ideology department. The kind of sentiment you hear and read from folks like Halafi, Abel-Qael, Allula, Thomas etc is what Meles and Sebhat originated it and infused on their cadres. If you notice well, those cadres i mentioned have a very flowery word and a sense of being one breed towards Eritreans. and when that idea is rejected by Eritreans, they go on the insult spree such as anceba, arrrrrtra etc. this cadres found it difficult to have a clear position since the idea Meles infused in them and the response they get from Eritreans often contradicts. hence you see them in a roller-coster emotions i.e love and hate. On the other side, Eritreans were born and bread to see themselves different and they reflect that which i believe has no harm in it

While Meles Zenawi cadres live in an emotional roller coster trying hard to be accepted as equal partner by eritreans, Meles Zenawis action and everything he does is in sync to that wild dream he has which won't be materialized due to the fact that it will have countless challenges to implement. The fact that he chose not to humiliate Eritreans in 2000 contrary to those TPLFits(siye group) who are more inclined to their southern neigbhours is a clear indication that all meles does is pursuing his dream rather than seeing Eritrea above Ethiopia. After all, his dady and grand dady fought against Ethiopia siding with the fashist-italy and he has no reason to love Ethiopia

I never been a cadre of Meles in my life nor I agree all his decision made for Tigray and Ethiopia. I disagreed all his decision, from sending Tigrayan fighters to die for Eritrea cause due to Shaebia refusal to allow foreign countries to rescue Tigrayans in 1984-85 period and as a result of none access about million people died on the road to Sudan. No human being with normal brain can allay such inhumane Shaebia the Tigrayans leaderships were the mother of all fools to be played over and over by Shaebia.

I am always the cadre of my grandfather and my father who resisted the Italians and joined Woyane first upon Haileselassie Arrival in Addis Ababa again. Meles existence is not because of his smartness but because of the Adwa and Axum people Meles managed to humiliate Tigray and Ethiopia. The responsible people are Adwa and Axum and some cadre of Adigrat, there is no way around it with out those people Meles will not stay one hour in Ethiopia soil let alone to abuse for 40 years. In a way the enemy of Tigray and Ethiopia are the Adwa and Axum cadres who preaching Tigray on behalf of Meles and Sebhat families to loot, auctioning, selling, killing and arresting Tigrayans and Ethiopians.

I just want to tell them anyone from Axum and Adwa who is the tool of Meles and Sebhat are going to pay heavy price. Meles and Sebhat will disappear from this planet either by the law of Ethiopian court or by nature but Tigray and Ethiopia will exist after Meles and Sebhat and there will be a time anyone from Axum and Adwa will not be welcomed to any Awraja of Tigray and the rest of Ethiopia. All Ray, Enderta, Tembein, Wolkait, Awlallo and Shire are watching you right now and they are not idiots they are just waiting their time to come and there will be a time to pay pack the distraction you inflicted upon Tigray and Ethiopia.

Meles Zenawi has no special love for Eritrea. rather, he has this twisted dream or idea that somehow and some day, Eritrea and Ti-gray will be one country.

Okay may be you can explain this for me, because we Ethiopians really are having trouble understanding Woyane's true motivation in all of this.

1. Why were the Tigray people tricked into fighting against Ethiopia for 17 years, since they gained nothing from it. Only Eritrea was the beneficiary of the Woyane war against Ethiopia.

2. Why is Meles adamant about defending Eritrean sovereignty over Assab unless he loves Eritrea.

3. If Woyane is a believer in independence, why is it denying the Ogaden people the same independence Eritrea got.

I hope you or another Eritrean or even an Ethiopian will answer these, because so far I haven't found a straight, non-evasive and satisfactory answer for these questions.

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Misraq, I thought you were more informed from what you are saying.
I will respond to your posting but i would like to ask you for any elaboration for your following take.
you said,

The fact that he chose not to humiliate Eritreans in 2000 contrary to those TPLFits(siye group) who are more inclined to their southern neigbhours is a clear indication that all meles does is pursuing his dream rather than seeing Eritrea above Ethiopia. After all, his dady and grand dady fought against Ethiopia siding with the fashist-italy and he has no reason to love Ethiopia

can you back it up, with some kind of senseble expnation? I can't ask for evedence since you were not there but just give me some kind of information for your take.

Brother Zemen,

Brother Issayas gave an interview saying that he was ashamed to see his fellow coutnry men get defeated and retreat in an embarasing way. the you-tube video was posted here some time ago. Also, Haile (Durea) made a similar confession that his army was in no match and the battle was a pure lose and defeat for eritrea. I believe he was accused of defeatism and jailed to die for the same reason. This is not to give glory to weyanne. they used ethiopian human resource and aresenal to battle shabia to get victory. This is trivial and didn't need my explanation. if your own people admited it, there shouldn't be any contest on the validity of what i am saying. what i added was to the fact that the TPLF faction that is led by Siye wanted to punish Shabia all the way till it is reduced back to a gorrilla force like that of ONLF standard.

Brother Misrak,

I have no desire to get into that infantile 'my-dad-is-tougher-than-yours' game. Suffice to say, military victory is measured by what it sets out to achieve and what it accomplished in reality. History and common sense dictate that winners dictate, not negotiate.

Having said that, trying to portray Seye as a 'nationalist' or worse, attempting to picture him as war-mongerer and Eritrean-hater than Melles is simply being disingenuous. Melles' latest action to starve Eritrea and Eritreans is a simple testament to his brutality and it's distinct from Seye only by the method Melles uses to achieve what he wants. Unlike Seye, he knows when the heat is too much. That charactersitc of his has proven enduring, hence his survival until now. Other than that, Melles and Seye belong in the same category.

Brother quindibu,

Point well taken !! The topic wasn't about who is tougher though. it was about historical events. Current generation Eritreans are tough people and you shouldn't feel if someone comes and says they are not.