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Re: AfricaIntelligence.com: USA already looks to post- Meles

Postby Allula » 19 Feb 2012, 18:07


Semira wrote:It is obvious that the U.S is grooming Birtukan and Siye for the after Meles or incase of some political and social explosion. Both Birtukan and Siye whom the U.S thinks could master a wide support or constituent in Ethiopia are in the U.S now for free education and grooming. would they be any different than Meles? yes to only defuse the tribal tension, but for the rest, they will be just puppets.


As much us I dislike Siye Abraha for aligning himself with the useless neftegna crowd, I still have some respect for him as a decorated war hero and one of the brightest millitary strategists in Africa who was behind the defeat of the mighty dergue, the imprisonment of 20,000 OLF army in 2 days and the take over of 1/3rd of Anseba land in a week time. He is smart and competent enough to be in a leadership position. But Birtukan Mideksa with all due respect has the IQ and looks of a fat whore in Eri be kentu. She has nothing on her CV to show for, no experience, looks like a gosquala [deleted] with her face full of madiat etc. Who wants his country to be led and represented by a baby mama anyway??



Re: USA already looks to post- Meles

Postby Halafi Mengedi » 19 Feb 2012, 19:41


The most courageous woman in Ethiopia is Burtukan Meqdesa in Ethiopia. She has immaturity and egomaniac for power but she is honest, humble and never yields to anyone at any circumstances. She showed her courageous when almost the entire Tigrayans betrayed Seye, she stood by him and never submitted herself to Meles and his Diqalu settlers. The political difference between Seye and Meles is not personal but it is about Tigray and Ethiopia. Seye organized Tigrayan veteran warriors and Ethiopia youths to defend Adigrat, Adwa and Shire and he honored his grand parents of King Yohannes, Ras Alula and all great warriors of Tigrayans on the expense of his life, families, relatives and his Awraja they have been suffering since then. But Meles allowed Eritreans to walk in and occupy Tigrayan lands illegally and demolished towns and villages of innocent Tigrayans and the people forced to live in caves. Meles refused to buy arms to defend Tigray and Ethiopia lands and pride. Meles stopped the war prematurely and made Ethiopia the loser and still haunt us every day by the same people who occupied and killed so many innocent Tigrayans. Meles has been using the Tigray brand name and their license EFFORT for his own private accounts for years. Meles poisoned so many Tigrayan veteran fighters and politicians to death by his nighttime assassins. Meles deprived Tigray to develop for the last 20 years when other region of Ethiopia changed their faces, Tigray is still looks like in 1991, the only change we see is in Mekele but the other Awrajas are the same but the high raking of Tigrayans and their families, relatives and Menders have been changed for good.

If Seye is with another sub party, Arena Tigray is in the same party with Seye and other great Ethiopian nationalist leaders. When the Tigrayans were lying with out their clothes against their saver Seye, the Amhara and Oromo people who fought against Seye stood by him and refused to lie against Seye even to the point they lost their jobs and livelihoods. What Tigrayan did to Seye was the most shameful any Tigrayan never did before in our history. Seye is not an ordinary person to be ignored, as the above poster “ALULA” mentioned Seye great military strategy and won the war against Derg and Eritreans, his parents fed Woyane, gave all their kids, bombed their residence and auctioned everything they owned and Seye father was assassinated by Derg in Mekele and his older brother assassinated in Mekele by Derg because the families were one of the pillar of Woyane organization and gave up so much no other Tigrayan contributed to the struggle of Tigray like them. Seye younger brother was in prison for years under Derg because Seye was destroying Derg soldiers in the bush. The entire Seye Abraha families joined Woyane and fought the good fight for the Agenda of Tigray but Tigrayans betrayed Seye and his families’ big time. Among the traitors are the Adwa and Adigrat people who are not only betrayed Seye and his families but also their own front yards of Tserona and Zalambesa and the people who are being humiliated and destroyed their house by Shaebia.



Re: USA already looks to post- Meles

Postby Aba-Dula » 19 Feb 2012, 23:18


Halafi Mengedi wrote:The most courageous woman in Ethiopia is Burtukan Meqdesa in Ethiopia. She has immaturity and egomaniac for power but she is honest, humble and never yields to anyone at any circumstances. She showed her courageous when almost the entire Tigrayans betrayed Seye, she stood by him and never submitted herself to Meles and his Diqalu settlers. The political difference between Seye and Meles is not personal but it is about Tigray and Ethiopia. Seye organized Tigrayan veteran warriors and Ethiopia youths to defend Adigrat, Adwa and Shire and he honored his grand parents of King Yohannes, Ras Alula and all great warriors of Tigrayans on the expense of his life, families, relatives and his Awraja they have been suffering since then. But Meles allowed Eritreans to walk in and occupy Tigrayan lands illegally and demolished towns and villages of innocent Tigrayans and the people forced to live in caves. Meles refused to buy arms to defend Tigray and Ethiopia lands and pride. Meles stopped the war prematurely and made Ethiopia the loser and still haunt us every day by the same people who occupied and killed so many innocent Tigrayans. Meles has been using the Tigray brand name and their license EFFORT for his own private accounts for years. Meles poisoned so many Tigrayan veteran fighters and politicians to death by his nighttime assassins. Meles deprived Tigray to develop for the last 20 years when other region of Ethiopia changed their faces, Tigray is still looks like in 1991, the only change we see is in Mekele but the other Awrajas are the same but the high raking of Tigrayans and their families, relatives and Menders have been changed for good.

If Seye is with another sub party, Arena Tigray is in the same party with Seye and other great Ethiopian nationalist leaders. When the Tigrayans were lying with out their clothes against their saver Seye, the Amhara and Oromo people who fought against Seye stood by him and refused to lie against Seye even to the point they lost their jobs and livelihoods. What Tigrayan did to Seye was the most shameful any Tigrayan never did before in our history. Seye is not an ordinary person to be ignored, as the above poster “ALULA” mentioned Seye great military strategy and won the war against Derg and Eritreans, his parents fed Woyane, gave all their kids, bombed their residence and auctioned everything they owned and Seye father was assassinated by Derg in Mekele and his older brother assassinated in Mekele by Derg because the families were one of the pillar of Woyane organization and gave up so much no other Tigrayan contributed to the struggle of Tigray like them. Seye younger brother was in prison for years under Derg because Seye was destroying Derg soldiers in the bush. The entire Seye Abraha families joined Woyane and fought the good fight for the Agenda of Tigray but Tigrayans betrayed Seye and his families’ big time. Among the traitors are the Adwa and Adigrat people who are not only betrayed Seye and his families but also their own front yards of Tserona and Zalambesa and the people who are being humiliated and destroyed their house by Shaebia.


Can somebody tell this Kimalam to get the hell out of here and let him pick his lice from the grooves of his cloth? This Kimalam thinks he is better than we are, he thinks he can trick us again to get into war with Eritrea so his Tribal war lords can remain in power and he can continue on looting and selling lands and babies, other times taking Amhara land and making it Tigrae killil. Birtukan Mideksa is a smart lady that never approved Siye's tactic of flipping her up side down and winked Meles and send her to jail for the second time so he can taje the party she created from grassroot. Keep Siye for Tigrae and we keep Birtukan Mideksa for Ethiopia, you people imprisoned Birtukan Mideksa for four years so you can loot Ethiopia. Not this time, you keep Arena and we keep Ethiopia's party.



Re: USA already looks to post- Meles

Postby Halafi Mengedi » 19 Feb 2012, 23:39


Abooo Galaaa,

Worthless you moved to Bandaland to eat more camle Fanndia, since they are plenty of cameles in the lowland of Askaris land and Sudan. Just enjoy your Camel Fanndia until the great leaders of MEDREK kick you out and resettle in Kesela permanently.



Re: Indian Ocean Newsletter: US looking to replace Meles Zen

Postby ethiopianunity » 22 Feb 2012, 06:26


YeSat-Nebelbal wrote:Reality is creeping, slowly but surely. US is fed up with TPLF Mass murder programme against Somalis, meles is becoming a liability. As nations are looking at the US with a shock over the genocidal regime in Ethiopia, US is feeling the heat, because they do not want to be looked at as being the backer of genocide, they are cutting their relations with liabilities like Meles Zenawi and Azeb esfin, mob style.

USA already looks to post- Meles

ETHIOPIA

Some Ethiopian opponents are convinced that the United States may have already begun to discuss the succession of Prime Minister Meles Zenawi. (...) [271 words] [$7]



Again, It will still not be advisable if it is decided by anyone other than Ethiopians. It is already too late that Ethiopians have been divided and they don't have one voice, this gives U.S excuse to install a leader than ONLY benefits U.S interests. Well the only way they may now are trying to replace is ONLY because the recent killing of tourists in Afra region and the arrest of journalists in Weyane dungeons. This is only prove that when Westerners are affected then only U.S acts. Ethiopians have lobbied for regime change for so long and yet they were ignored. What does this mean? Ethiopians of ALL better mobilize quick and actively engage NOW rather than giving Ethiopia's fate for foreigners. The prerpetuating will continue. Of course West is already involved but Ethiopians must be in the drive seat. Although it is good news, it is still suspicious what kind of government will be installed. Where are G7, Ethio activists. If U.S also secretly allies with Eritrea, it might even install another leader that ONLY benefits Eritrea. Although it is good to have leader that brings mutual peace to both nations, it is not guaranteed. The other issue could be maybe the time has come to break Ethiopia apart per a hedge fund from NYC who predicted this eyeing the control of Nile water and oil in Ogaden. Although I don't see how the West will benefit in breaking U.S ally apart.

God save Ethiopia

Long live



Re: Indian Ocean Newsletter: US looking to replace Meles Zen

Postby ethiopianunity » 22 Feb 2012, 06:31


revolutions wrote:
It has now become very clear who's the kingmaker in Ethiopia.

ከቀጥተኛ ቅኝ አገዛዝ ወደየጅአዙር ቅኝ አገዛዝ መሸጋገር or vise-versa ምንም ለውጥ አያመጣም።



Just because the inflated ego Eritrea/Isayas is showing by attacking the West, which they have now been silenced after the death of Qadaffi, both TPLF, Meles/Shaebia, Isayas have been made a king by Western and Arab support. So don't try to make this as the only Ethiopia's issue. Again more propoganda



Re: Indian Ocean Newsletter: US looking to replace Meles Zen

Postby ethiopianunity » 22 Feb 2012, 06:40


BEQA-Meles-BEQA!!! wrote:Meles Zenawi outlasted his welcome long time ago. He did not know it and now he is understanding that fact, even his TPLF friends are avoiding the idiot. Each Col & Gen in the TPLF army is calming his prize, its time to exit while the road is clear or else there will be hardship waiting for the last plane, his life will be made for a motion picture, as he waits for the last plane and the freedom fighters are running to catch him, just like General Batista of Cuba. Where the genuine Cubans come to claim their country as the sell out vacates the headquarter, but not quite in time he will be caught because the plane experiencing clutch jam just like VOA is experiencing in Ethiopian air space.




The West has not been happy about Meles and now they are turning against him also including what I put above, is that: the closeness of China with Ethiopia which the recent inauguration of AU building which China built showes the closeness of China with Africa. The other also, giving lands to non Western coproations such as: India, China, Saudi, etc.. all this is leading to regime change to Ethiopioa.

This will be a test for U.S if it is genuine partner with Ethiopioa even after regime change otherwise most likely the people's plight will not change but under Western-friendly leadership.



Re: Indian Ocean Newsletter: US looking to replace Meles Zen

Postby ethiopianunity » 22 Feb 2012, 06:58


Red Sea wrote:
Gurezza wrote:Not only melese who would be kicked out. The entire LEMaGNE ZERE Will be buried in mass. Every nation nationality would use their own method of slauthering the MEGGER TUHANAM people.


That scenario is enevitable. [deleted] you need to repent quick before it is too late.
If it is only upto me, repentance won't even work. I can not wait to see Rwandan style tigray people massacre inside ethiopia.
Where to hide now? You did burn the northern bridge we the Eritrean people let you cross and we had covered the holes you were hiding.
Bad, very bad time to be an [deleted]. As if there was any good time to be an [deleted] by the way.
You people never appreciate good things.
Well the faster and the higher you go with out your own power (ability, talent),the faster and harder you will be dropped by gravity.
:D :D :D


Red Sea,

You have evil mind and as non Tigrayan myself, no matter what happens Ethiopians are not like you bent on evil revenge like Rewanda, we are human and conscious enough to forgive. You instigating Rwandan style is your own thought coming from hating Ethiopians whether be it Tigrayan you call [deleted], Amaras, etc. Our problem has always been small groups of people, TPLF lead by Meles and Shaebia lead by Isayas that are causing havoc both in Ethiopia and Eritrea. We Ethiopians want to achieve Nelson Mandela's style forgiveness that is the ultimate human achievements. But this doesn't mean we don't want justice done to Ethiopia and Ethiopians all over. Heck Mengistu who was also bloody tyrant is today enjoying his time in the palace in Zimbabwe we have become accustomed to forgiveness is one indication. It is no wander, you don't see, not ONE Eritrean or half Eritrean half Ethiopians in this forum talks genuinely the negative part of Eritrea. Weyane unfortuantely gave them the opportunity to weaken and bash Ethiopia as a whole. As a result, the foolish Ethiopians are going along with it weakening Ethiopians because we resent Weyane. Becareful what you wish for.



Re: Indian Ocean Newsletter: US looking to replace Meles Zen

Postby ethiopianunity » 22 Feb 2012, 07:24


YeSat-Nebelbal wrote:Forgive my interjection,

I am surprised how the thread from "US looking to replace Meles Zenawi" went to discussing China and AU? China doing work in Africa is positive development, it solidifies the friendship between the two peoples. Europeans did not do work in Africa, the work they did meant to benefit their own interest, such as laying train tracks and roads to export the minerals and send to their mother countries. I read a tiny book (G. Kaplan, The Ghost of Leopold) where Kaplan explains how European colonizers abused the nations as they left, France pouring concrete into an elevator shaft, Leopold massacring millions of Congolese, Brits left similar cultures in conflict through divide and rule policy, how Italians left their colonies in disaster. There are several negative scenarios where Europeans left Africans embittered with, from exploiting to planting dictators that would serve them in a larger scale.

China did not do that to Africa, but they do support dictators hang on power to oppress their people. We know that Chinese do not come to Africa for benefiting Africans, its to benefit themselves attain the resources to rise. Building AU is a benefit for China because it is stocking favor in the dictators pockets, but looks bad for the looters and dictators, because they had to ask for an outside force to do it for them. Especially, AU being the symbol of Africa, it makes me as an African a little uncomfortable to be proud of my continent. Lending money to Africa's dictators without any qualms make us feel a bit apprehensive for the dictators are pocketing the money, while the bill is passed on to us and our children to pay. For instance, what Meles is doing in Ethiopia will affect many generations to come, he is walking away with the money leaving us to fight for our survival long after he's kicked the bucket.

Much in the same way, the Chinese are not here in the form of good will, they are planning to replace the Europeans and US influence, so as to rise on our natural resources. After all the Europeans showed too much contempt to Africans after looting our resources in a broad daylight. Europeans and US have reached the developmental goal they ought to, and they are not scrambling for our minerals as much as China and India will. China doing construction for individual countries is okay, such as erecting cultural centers, roads, train tracks as well as stadiums in order to solidify the Chinese-Africans friendship, but holding the big house (AU) by the balls makes things look very unsettling for most of us and for nations that look down on Africa.

Naga Tuma wrote:First, talk about your own weakness. They did not fight on the internet using screen names. I do not think that anyone arm-twisted Haile Sellassie to declare himself a monarch. If the battle at Adwa meant something for him, he should have believed in the people's power. I don't think that anyone arm-twisted the Ethiopian revolutionaries to start the White Terror and the Dergue to counter it with the Red Terror. I don't think that anyone arm-twisted the Tigre brothers to separate their own people into two countries.

I don't think that anyone arm-twisted you and made you fail to distinguish between China the country and the Communist Party of China. There is a big difference between the two. And you were telling me: As the saying goes: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent," and there is plenty of blame to go around across the African continent in the latest debacle. First of all, the Chinese couldn't possibly have built the new AU Headquarters on their own without some people in the African continent giving them the green light to do so. When did you turn from the supporter of the "gift" to its critic?


I agree most to what you said. Moyo understands this. West or Asia making nations dependent on them is undermining them. It is indeed embarassing when poor nations are constantly on support. This showes poor nations do not have diginity and pride in themsellves. If you develop your nation it should be based on your capability and completely through mutual benefit. Otherwise you are indirectly under these powers. So to bring this independence is up to the unity of the nation to make their leader accountable and to remind their leader they are employees of the nation's populations but not kings or emperor, especially if a nation wants ever lasting peace, development and equality. This is why Africa and nations who have diverse groups don't seem to get. They are the victims of their own fueling divisions after divisions making themselves prey to outsiders. That is the number one reason why poor nations are not stable, developing, no equality, etc. So they need really education 101 of how to live and coexist in diversity. So Indeed, China buidling the AU is indeed embarassing. Once again it shows how nations are incapable of standing on their own. This is of course no matter how poor you are it doesn't matter. Grow at your own pace. You don't have to build a sky scraper as Africans are focusing on that today. But this is by no means to say you have to be isolationist and be ignorant to outside world. No, through mutual agreeement is the only this works.



Re: USA already looks to post- Meles

Postby ethiopianunity » 22 Feb 2012, 07:37


ras wrote:This is evidence why the OLF is and others are gathering in DC and other places. The problem that I see is, can the US actually controll the situation in Ethiopia once it begins to unravel? My guess is not. Ithink that is probably why UK envited Eritrea to the dismay of weyane that is actin paranoid. They are crying let's see if they envite you at the somali table



The U.S invitation to secessionist Daoud Ibsa OLF like TPLF has no idea about the entire Ethiopia. Let us be honest, TPLF took Ethiopia to the ground because it is ethno fascist that knows only Eritrea and Tigray. OLF is the same that knows only Oromo region. If they should talk to opposition groups why aren't they talking to pro Ethiopia party groups? That is why it is very suspicious this tells us that Ethiopia under one unity could be be strong. The invitation of Daoud Ibsa is for further weakening of Ethiopia that benefits 3 groups: one outsiders, two Eritrea and three creating Oromo ethno fascist dictatorships like it is happening under TPLF. This indicates the West doesn't want a strong Ethiopia. Kemal Gelchu if he is genuine I hope and G7 is the right direction since they represent entire Ethiopia and they can bring peace between Ethiopia and Eritrea. But it is doubtful knowing the history of the powers.

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