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Re: Just like us, but less

Postby Fed_Up » 01 Apr 2012, 15:11


It doesn't materialized to adapt multiple personality Eden I meant Nega-Tuma ...oops! Senait.

Who cares...you could have dozens of them.



Re: Just like us, but less

Postby revelations » 01 Apr 2012, 19:45


Sorry but I fail to see your point. It has been widely publicized that this African immigrants were discriminated and abused. What this article tells me is that they are also "invisible" to the Israelis outside of their menial work life. If realizing this makes you proud, that's your prerogative. I still find it extremely saddening!

revolutions wrote:
It's unfair when Eritrean migrants get to live and work freely while Ethiopian migrants get put in prison indefinitely. Former Georgia Congresswoman and Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney described the situation better in her letter from an Israeli prison....


Letter from an Israeli Jail, by Cynthia McKinney

This is Cynthia McKinney and I'm speaking from an Israeli prison cellblock in Ramle. [I am one of] the Free Gaza 21, human rights activists currently imprisoned for trying to take medical supplies to Gaza, building supplies - and even crayons for children, I had a suitcase full of crayons for children.

But I've learned an interesting thing by being inside this prison. First of all, it's incredibly black: populated mostly by Ethiopians who also had a dream ... like my cellmates, one who is pregnant. They are all are in their twenties. They thought they were coming to the Holy Land. They had a dream that their lives would be better ... The once proud, never colonized Ethiopia [has been thrown into] the back pocket of the United States, and become a place of torture, rendition, and occupation. Ethiopians must free their country because superpower politics [have] become more important than human rights and self-determination.

My cellmates came to the Holy Land so they could be free from the exigencies of superpower politics. They committed no crime except to have a dream. They came to Israel because they thought that Israel held promise for them. Their journey to Israel through Sudan and Egypt was arduous. I can only imagine what it must have been like for them. And it wasn't cheap. Many of them represent their family's best collective efforts for self-fulfilment. They made their way to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees. They got their yellow paper of identification. They got their certificate for police protection. They are refugees from tragedy, and they made it to Israel only after they arrived Israel told them "there is no UN in Israel."

The police here have license to pick them up & [deleted] them into the black hole of a farce for a justice system. These beautiful, industrious and proud women represent the hopes of entire families. The idea of Israel tricked them and the rest of us. In a widely propagandized slick marketing campaign, Israel represented itself as a place of refuge and safety for the world's first Jews and Christian. I too believed that marketing and failed to look deeper.

The truth is that Israel lied to the world. Israel lied to the families of these young women. Israel lied to the women themselves who are now trapped in Ramle's detention facility. And what are we to do? One of my cellmates cried today. She has been here for 6 months. As an American, crying with them is not enough. The policy of the United States must be better, and while we watch President Obama give 12.8 trillion dollars to the financial elite of the United States it ought now be clear that hope, change, and ‘yes we can' were powerfully presented images of dignity and self-fulfilment, individually and nationally, that besieged people everywhere truly believed in.

It was a slick marketing campaign as slickly put to the world and to the voters of America as was Israel's marketing to the world. It tricked all of us but, more tragically, these young women.

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/56-news ... a-mckinney



Re: Just like us, but less

Postby revolutions » 01 Apr 2012, 21:28



It's not only the African migrants who are subjected to racist abuses in Israel, but also the Ethiopian Jews who made aliyah to Israel are discriminated against and treated as second class citizens. At least the migrants have the option of returning home if they choose to. But the same can't be said about the Ethiopian Jews who were granted automatic citizenship and permanent residency, but are forced to live virtually invisible lives in Israel.

What is sad is that in the eyes of the Israeli public, the color of a person's skin is the deciding factor in whether or not that person is an Israeli citizen. And in my opinion, the news story of an Israeli bus driver refusing to let an Ethiopian Jewish woman on his bus and telling her that “Ethiopians are stupid people” is more troubling than the apparent lack of cultural assimilation or integration in the Israeli society that both groups largely keep to themselves.



revelations wrote:Sorry but I fail to see your point. It has been widely publicized that this African immigrants were discriminated and abused. What this article tells me is that they are also "invisible" to the Israelis outside of their menial work life. If realizing this makes you proud, that's your prerogative. I still find it extremely saddening!

revolutions wrote:
It's unfair when Eritrean migrants get to live and work freely while Ethiopian migrants get put in prison indefinitely. Former Georgia Congresswoman and Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney described the situation better in her letter from an Israeli prison....


Letter from an Israeli Jail, by Cynthia McKinney

This is Cynthia McKinney and I'm speaking from an Israeli prison cellblock in Ramle. [I am one of] the Free Gaza 21, human rights activists currently imprisoned for trying to take medical supplies to Gaza, building supplies - and even crayons for children, I had a suitcase full of crayons for children.

But I've learned an interesting thing by being inside this prison. First of all, it's incredibly black: populated mostly by Ethiopians who also had a dream ... like my cellmates, one who is pregnant. They are all are in their twenties. They thought they were coming to the Holy Land. They had a dream that their lives would be better ... The once proud, never colonized Ethiopia [has been thrown into] the back pocket of the United States, and become a place of torture, rendition, and occupation. Ethiopians must free their country because superpower politics [have] become more important than human rights and self-determination.

My cellmates came to the Holy Land so they could be free from the exigencies of superpower politics. They committed no crime except to have a dream. They came to Israel because they thought that Israel held promise for them. Their journey to Israel through Sudan and Egypt was arduous. I can only imagine what it must have been like for them. And it wasn't cheap. Many of them represent their family's best collective efforts for self-fulfilment. They made their way to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees. They got their yellow paper of identification. They got their certificate for police protection. They are refugees from tragedy, and they made it to Israel only after they arrived Israel told them "there is no UN in Israel."

The police here have license to pick them up & [deleted] them into the black hole of a farce for a justice system. These beautiful, industrious and proud women represent the hopes of entire families. The idea of Israel tricked them and the rest of us. In a widely propagandized slick marketing campaign, Israel represented itself as a place of refuge and safety for the world's first Jews and Christian. I too believed that marketing and failed to look deeper.

The truth is that Israel lied to the world. Israel lied to the families of these young women. Israel lied to the women themselves who are now trapped in Ramle's detention facility. And what are we to do? One of my cellmates cried today. She has been here for 6 months. As an American, crying with them is not enough. The policy of the United States must be better, and while we watch President Obama give 12.8 trillion dollars to the financial elite of the United States it ought now be clear that hope, change, and ‘yes we can' were powerfully presented images of dignity and self-fulfilment, individually and nationally, that besieged people everywhere truly believed in.

It was a slick marketing campaign as slickly put to the world and to the voters of America as was Israel's marketing to the world. It tricked all of us but, more tragically, these young women.

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/56-news ... a-mckinney



Re: Just like us, but less

Postby Aragaw » 02 Apr 2012, 13:30


It's unfair when Eritrean migrants get to live and work freely while Ethiopian migrants get put in prison indefinitely. Former Georgia Congresswoman and Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney described the situation better in her letter from an Israeli prison....


May be the Israel government have been compassionate to let Eritreans work freely while Ethiopian migrants get put in prison indefinitely after looking at this figures.
According to government figures, there are currently about 45,000 people who arrived in Israel illegally, 61 percent from troubled Eritrea, 25% from Sudan and the rest from other sub-Saharan states.

“From a demographic, economic and security perspective we just can’t absorb these numbers of people coming in – and we have to return them either to where they came from or to another country.”
http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/Jewish ... ?id=264408



The decision last week by the Jerusalem District Court to issue an injunction postponing the deportation of approximately 1,000 South Sudanese from Israel until at least April 15 has brought the vexed issue of illegal immigration back to the national agenda.

The sensitive problem of how to deal with the ever-increasing number of refugees and illegal immigrants arriving in Israel has, as with so many concerns, roused the country’s spiritual leaders to take to their pulpits to proffer a religious perspective on the issue.
Related:

S. Sudanese rally in TA against deportation
'South Sudanese in Israel no longer refugees'

“The people of Israel brought the concept of compassion into the world,” said Achiad Ettinger, rabbi of the Beit Shapira Synagogue in south Tel Aviv, where large numbers of asylum seekers have ended up. “We are noted for our compassion even by our enemies; Hitler specifically pointed out that we introduced such concepts, and they hated us for it.”

“But excessive compassion can also have negative consequences. We have many of our own vulnerable people who we need to help and absorbing these illegal immigrants entails huge financial obligations,” Ettinger told The Jerusalem Post.

“From a demographic, economic and security perspective we just can’t absorb these numbers of people coming in – and we have to return them either to where they came from or to another country.”

Refugees, Ettinger continued, should be treated humanely and provided with food and shelter, but nevertheless deported.

According to government figures, there are currently about 45,000 people who arrived in Israel illegally, 61 percent from troubled Eritrea, 25% from Sudan and the rest from other sub-Saharan states.

There are also nearly 90,000 legal migrant workers in the country along with 95,000 foreign workers who entered legally but whose visas have now expired.

Rabbi Gilad Kariv, executive director of the Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism, described the challenge of dealing with refugees and immigrants as “the most important moral test for our society.”

The State of Israel, he said, like all other states in the Western world, has to develop immigration policies and take necessary steps to secure its borders.

“It’s okay to have strict immigration policies and to protect your borders,” said Kariv. “But it is not right for us to bring in migrant workers in order to energize and develop the local economy, and then close our eyes to those who use this cheap labor to make easy profits and deny these workers their basic rights.”

“They are human beings who, aside from building our cities and cleaning our homes, have cultural, social and spiritual needs, fall in love and bring children into this world. We need to recognize that.”

Regarding refugees and asylum seekers, Kariv is even more emphatic.

Israel – as a Jewish and democratic state that is cognizant of its past – cannot close its borders to asylum seekers and put them at risk by sending them back to their home countries where the political situation is not stable, he said.

Refugees need to be given temporary residence permits and allowed to work, earn a living, live in dignity and enjoy other basic human rights, Kariv continued.

“The people from South Sudan cannot be sent back at the moment because of the current instability there, and Israel needs to follow the guidelines of international organizations on this issue,” Kariv asserted, in reference to a statement by the UN chief of humanitarian affairs in February that conflict, poverty and food insecurity are creating severe humanitarian problems in the country that are likely to worsen.

Kariv denied that there is any demographic threat to the Jewish majority in permitting those who have refugee status to stay in the country.

“This notion is an attempt to frighten the Israeli public and is simply the racist interpretation a number of politicians give to the concept of a Jewish state. When you have more than 6.5 million Jews in Israel, allowing a few thousand refugees to be integrated into Israeli society is not a threat. By doing it, I believe we strengthen the Jewish character of the state, not weaken it.

“It’s not enough to have a Jewish majority,” continued Kariv. “The state’s policies and behavior need to reflect the values of our tradition and the lessons we learned through our own history.”

Rabbi Benny Lau, a prominent national-religious figure and rabbi of the Ramban Synagogue in south Jerusalem, is also adamant that genuine refugees seeking asylum from life-threatening situations in their homelands should be afforded protection and shelter – and shielded from any attempts to deport them.

But he also believes that stringent immigration laws and practices need to be established to halt the tide of illegal immigrants arriving in the country.

“Having open borders and allowing anyone who so wishes to come in will destroy the country. The State of Israel simply won’t exist any more,” he told the Post.

Once someone gets into the country, however, there is a responsibility to provide them with food, health services, education and all other needs, Lau said.

“What we must do as a Jewish society is design policies according to the Torah, which recognize the foreigner who lives among us as a human being with his own identity,” he said.

“If we do so we will continue to cultivate the vision of a nation-state that believes all men are created in the image of God.”



Re: Just like us, but less

Postby revolutions » 02 Apr 2012, 17:43


aragaw wrote:
It's unfair when Eritrean migrants get to live and work freely while Ethiopian migrants get put in prison indefinitely. Former Georgia Congresswoman and Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney described the situation better in her letter from an Israeli prison....


May be the Israel government have been compassionate to let Eritreans work freely while Ethiopian migrants get put in prison indefinitely after looking at this figures.
According to government figures, there are currently about 45,000 people who arrived in Israel illegally, 61 percent from troubled Eritrea, 25% from Sudan and the rest from other sub-Saharan states.

“From a demographic, economic and security perspective we just can’t absorb these numbers of people coming in – and we have to return them either to where they came from or to another country.”
http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/Jewish ... ?id=264408



If you're a refugee fleeing the genocide in Ethiopia, or a woyane thief fleeing to escape the looming Armageddon and has arrived in Israel, say the only two available choices for you are: To either ask political asylum as an Ethiopian and face the cruel indefinite detention, or to falsely claim to to be a draft dodger from Eritrea and receive a "compassionate" automatic work and residence permits, which one will you choose ? It's a rhetorical question, because, knowing you, Ayte Aregawi, I'm sure you would be quick to put on a Kippah and join the crowd of impostors to dance the night away. sksksksksksss :oops:



Re: Just like us, but less

Postby Aragaw » 02 Apr 2012, 21:38


revolutions wrote:
aragaw wrote:
It's unfair when Eritrean migrants get to live and work freely while Ethiopian migrants get put in prison indefinitely. Former Georgia Congresswoman and Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney described the situation better in her letter from an Israeli prison....


May be the Israel government have been compassionate to let Eritreans work freely while Ethiopian migrants get put in prison indefinitely after looking at this figures.
According to government figures, there are currently about 45,000 people who arrived in Israel illegally, 61 percent from troubled Eritrea, 25% from Sudan and the rest from other sub-Saharan states.

“From a demographic, economic and security perspective we just can’t absorb these numbers of people coming in – and we have to return them either to where they came from or to another country.”
http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/Jewish ... ?id=264408



If you're a refugee fleeing the genocide in Ethiopia, or a woyane thief fleeing to escape the looming Armageddon and has arrived in Israel, say the only two available choices for you are: To either ask political asylum as an Ethiopian and face the cruel indefinite detention, or to falsely claim to to be a draft dodger from Eritrea and receive a "compassionate" automatic work and residence permits, which one will you choose ? It's a rhetorical question, because, knowing you, Ayte Aregawi, I'm sure you would be quick to put on a Kippah and join the crowd of impostors to dance the night away. sksksksksksss :oops:


revolutions,
You always have justification when it is your country Eritrea is in question. I understand.

አንተ ዠምብለህ እንደ ዱሮ ኢህአፓ ሰፈሩን በሙሉ በቀይ ወረቀት እንደሚያሸበርቀው ከኣንድ ፎረም ወደኣን ፎረም እየዞርክ ወረቀት በትን ብቻ ፥፥ የ ኢንተርኔት ኢህአፓ ማለት አንተ ነህ::

ደግሞ ስለኤርትራ ኣንድ ነገር ሲባል ቶሎ ደምህ ኣይፍላ ፥፥ የ ፌክ ኢትዮጲያዊነት ከቭርህን ያስበላብሃል፥፥ ኣንዳንዴ ብትናደድም ዋጥ ኣድርገውና እለፍ ፥ኢትዮጲያዊነኝ ብሎ እንዳንተ በ ኤርትራ ጉዳይ ቶሎ ደሙ የሚፈላ የለም ፥፥ ኣንድያውም ይለይልህና እንደ ሌሎቹ ኤርትራውያን በግልጽ ለኣገርህ ተከራከር። በ እውነት ኣንተ ጥሩ ሰላይ ኣይወጣህም



Re: Just like us, but less

Postby revolutions » 03 Apr 2012, 00:44


aragaw wrote:
revolutions wrote:
If you're a refugee fleeing the genocide in Ethiopia, or a woyane thief fleeing to escape the looming Armageddon and has arrived in Israel, say the only two available choices for you are: To either ask political asylum as an Ethiopian and face the cruel indefinite detention, or to falsely claim to to be a draft dodger from Eritrea and receive a "compassionate" automatic work and residence permits, which one will you choose ? It's a rhetorical question, because, knowing you, Ayte Aregawi, I'm sure you would be quick to put on a Kippah and join the crowd of impostors to dance the night away. sksksksksksss :oops:


revolutions,
You always have justification when it is your country Eritrea is in question. I understand.
በ እውነት ኣንተ ጥሩ ሰላይ ኣይወጣህም


Ayte Aregawi, my Tigraway spy master from Dedebit LOL

First of all, I never made any excuses for the Eritreans. I simply stated the irrefutable facts that you find very hard to swallow for the obvious bias you woyanes hold against the Eritreans. Your problem is that you see a person who does not support your genocidal woyane regime and you automatically assume that the person has got to be an Eritrean. Well, let me ask you this. When you see a dark figure following you, do you pause to think for a moment whether it might be your own shadow or you simply follow that voice in your head that tells you that Shaebia are all around you? By the way, why are you woyanes so afraid of the fewer than 6 million Eritreans when over 80 million Ethiopians are coming after your regime with noose in hand?



Re: Just like us, but less

Postby Aragaw » 03 Apr 2012, 13:11


Ayte Aregawi, my Tigraway spy master from Dedebit LOL

First of all, I never made any excuses for the Eritreans. I simply stated the irrefutable facts that you find very hard to swallow for the obvious bias you woyanes hold against the Eritreans. Your problem is that you see a person who does not support your genocidal woyane regime and you automatically assume that the person has got to be an Eritrean. Well, let me ask you this. When you see a dark figure following you, do you pause to think for a moment whether it might be your own shadow or you simply follow that voice in your head that tells you that Shaebia are all around you? By the way, why are you woyanes so afraid of the fewer than 6 million Eritreans when over 80 million Ethiopians are coming after your regime with noose in hand?


አቦ ይችን መፈክርህን "my Tigraway spy master from Dedebit" ቀይራት፥፥ እጅ እጅ አለች፥፥ እንደ ኣሮጌ የዘፈን ሸክላ ነገር ኣትደጋግም::ለ ትግራይ ህዝብ ያለህ ጥላቻ የመጣዉ ከኣገር ካባረሩህ በኋላ እንደሆነ ይገባኛል፥፥ ከዚያ በፊትማ የትግራይን ህዝብን እንደ ጣዖት ነበር የምታመልካቸው፥፥ ማን ኣስቦት ያውቃል እንደዛ በፍቅር ትወደው የነበረውን ወያኔን ኣሁን ኣይኑን ላፈር ብለህ የድሮ ኣለቃህን መለስን ጨምረህ ውርጅብኝ የምታወርድባቸው? ጊዜ ሲገለበጥ እግር እራስ ያካል ላሉት ተረት ኣንተ ጥሩ ምሳሌ ነህ፥፥
የኢትዮጲያ ችግር ተቆርቓሪ መስለህ የሃገርህን ጉዳይ ለማስፈጰም የምታረገዉን ማራቶን አቁምና እንደሌሎቹ ወገኖችህ በግልጵ ለኤርትራ ተከራከር፥፥ ውሸት ይብቃህ፥፥ ጥሩ ወሬ ይዘህ ብትቀርብም እንዳይታመን ያረገዋል፥፥ ከዚያ የተለየ ደግሞ የሃገራችንን ችግር እናውቀዋለን:: ያንተ አስታዋሽነት ኣያስፈልገንም:: ከራስህ ሃገር ችግር ለመሸሽ ስትል ብዙ ስለ ኢትዮጲያ ችግር ማውራት ይብቃህ:: ገባህ?
Don't assume everyone who oppose you is Tigraway.

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