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Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby Facts » 12 Jun 2012, 00:02


Jason,

You miss the point. Does good investment climate (assuming even that is true) give Weyane the right to institute a state that is dominated by one ethnic group representing 6% of the population?

This was rationale of white South Africans (20% of population in 1980s) when they said that black South Africans are doing better than other Africans. Do you agree with this? If so, then Weyane should openly say this instead of pretending to have democracy and "multi-ethnic" ruling party.

The reality is that if every Ethiopian became a millionaire (in US dollars) under TPLF rule, they would each donate $100,000 to a political party or liberation army that promised to end the 6% ethnic minority rule . If they really think TPLF are doing a great job managing economy, then they would just support a group that promised to maintain all of TPLF's economic policies but would get rid of 6% ethnic minority rule.

Jason wrote:Hello All,

I just got back from Ethiopia a few days ago and i promised few months back to blog from there. A few month back i was managed to elude the censorship by using proxy but after few days later i couldn't get to the proxy sites to blog ER.

Here is my honest opinion and i will discuss in detail over the next few days if you guys are interested. 8)

Investment: When i went to Ethiopia few years back, my views were shaped by politics so i was disinterested in listening my relatives brag about the huge growth they saw in terms of their own wealth and the country transformation. At first i was dismissive of their opinions because i honestly believe at the time seeing brand new buildings doesn't mean Ethiopians are doing better rather i made a point of mentioning that the building are owned and operated by Woyannie. Today i partially feel the same way. Sure most building i saw are owned by Woyannie folks but they are employing Ethiopian men and women and these folks will one day going to open their own company and compete with their former employer. In fact it's happening as we speak. There are many Ethiopians who worked for Woyannie affiliated companies in the past and went ahead and become successful business men and women.

The economic policy makers inside the government are doing tremendous job in terms of setting the right policy when it comes to investment. For instance, my good friend went back to Ethiopia to do commercial farming in southern Ethiopia. He tells me the government doesn't tax the produce for 5 years and the equipment he brought from abroad is duty free, The government also provides farming experts to commercial farmers free off charge. and many incentives to insure their success. This sort of things never been done in country history and we should give a credit to the government for setting the right policy.

I'm going to continue to blog about investment and education etc...I have to go for now. Please be civil about this topic. No name calling. 8)



Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby YEBANDAMERZE » 12 Jun 2012, 00:33


Obamajr. wrote:
YEBANDAMERZE"]wow! This is quite unexpected from Jason.
ሉቲው- አንተ ሌባ ወያኔ መንኪ ትንሽ እፍረት የለህም?
ባንዳው
- your tplf leader tyrant Ashebir ruled my country for almost 20 years. I don't need to read all this crap about Business, Economy , an employment etc. stop this nonsense Wow s*hit attitude.

Now tell what you know about the expulsion of Amara people from their land.Is there another version to the story ?

You sobmf read the following link.
http://ecadforum.com/blog1/the-unexplai ... ed-fuhrer/
I stopped posting business and eonomic updates after the expulsion incendent..
[deleted] ባንዳው
What the hell are you talking about? You haven't stopped posting. You come up with a new name called Moges. :x እርኩስ banda
Do you understand what Abebe have said a few weeks ago?
You need to swallow your ugame pride and listen to what a proud Ethiopian said to your tyrant.
ሉቲው- አበበ Cried for Freedom not food or something else.

http://ecadforum.com/2012/05/28/the-man ... d-freedom/
Freedom is more important than foods. That is what the proud Ethiopian said. your stupid posting about Business and Economic updates are a cover up for your master. Nothing else.
if my people can't move etc.
:roll: Are you talking about Tigre people? I think you do. You are not an Amhara in the first place. I have seen your Amharic hand writing. Shame on you bandaw. If you are a proud Ethiopian, you can write about the little tyrant Sshebir like the rest proud Ethiopians 24/7. I can smell proud Ethiopians from far away. You are not one of us. You are a real hard core tplf weyane Monkey in this forum. Leba weyane Neh.
:roll: About Jason, semira has said enough. I am not going to waste my time.

Chilo Listrow, don't you want to ask jason about life for your fellow [deleted]? I am having issues with my PC. I will catch up with your monkey a.ss soon. Bye for now village idiot.



Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby Shalom » 12 Jun 2012, 06:30


Apparently the individual’s judgment is influenced by his value. If he gives more value to the welfare of the masses instead of his close associates there is no question that he would have unbiased and fair judgment; however, if he deliberately value the welfare of him and his close associates, what Janos did, his judgment would be twisted and specious.

Surely, Jonson and his associates have good life with so much luxury, but the problem here is that the luxury of few should not be presented as if the masses have the same favorable circumstance .

The development of the country is not measured by the number of buildings erected by some corrupt officials, but by the buying capacity of the citizens and how much the citizens afford to put bread on the table. However, what we have seen in Ethiopia is different and of course the majorities are living under wretched poverty without any hope in the future.

There is no justification for those who were simple guerrilla fighters to become today’s filthy riches, unless they use their power to plunder the country’s property as well as the Aid money.

Nevertheless, the truth in Ethiopia is contrary what Mr. Janson was trying to depict it. Indeed, it is no allowed to anyone to do anything unless he/she has a connection to TPLF gangsters and have an official as a God-father, like the old mafia rule.

Of course, we could not hear any better from those who are benefiting from the tribal rule, except the same white lie.



Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby Obamajr. » 12 Jun 2012, 07:11


YEBANDAMERZE
:roll: About Jason, semira has said enough. I am not going to waste my time.
Chilo Listrow, don't you want to ask jason about life for your fellow [deleted]? I am having issues with my PC. I will catch up with your monkey a.ss soon. Bye for now village idiot.

bandaw- I know Jason very well. One he said " I don't give a s*hit if Ethiopia is upside down" I don't give him any credit at all. He is a playing double standarad like you now. He used to be a hard core tplf cadre for along time. Now he changed 180 degree and become your buddy. :roll: lutew, my sorry azz will be here to chase your sorry azz monkey. you are on my radar 24/7.
:lol: Your sugar daddy is waiting for you.
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Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby Minelik » 12 Jun 2012, 08:00


my sorry azz will be here to chase your sorry azz


Lol Oj do you really know what you are talkin about?

Look what you said..your sorry azz? Who would call himself sorry azz..lol



Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby Conformist » 12 Jun 2012, 08:38


Jason wrote:Hello All,

I just got back from Ethiopia a few days ago and i promised few months back to blog from there. A few month back i was managed to elude the censorship by using proxy but after few days later i couldn't get to the proxy sites to blog ER.

Here is my honest opinion and i will discuss in detail over the next few days if you guys are interested. 8)

Investment: When i went to Ethiopia few years back, my views were shaped by politics so i was disinterested in listening my relatives brag about the huge growth they saw in terms of their own wealth and the country transformation. At first i was dismissive of their opinions because i honestly believe at the time seeing brand new buildings doesn't mean Ethiopians are doing better rather i made a point of mentioning that the building are owned and operated by Woyannie. Today i partially feel the same way. Sure most building i saw are owned by Woyannie folks but they are employing Ethiopian men and women and these folks will one day going to open their own company and compete with their former employer. In fact it's happening as we speak. There are many Ethiopians who worked for Woyannie affiliated companies in the past and went ahead and become successful business men and women.

The economic policy makers inside the government are doing tremendous job in terms of setting the right policy when it comes to investment. For instance, my good friend went back to Ethiopia to do commercial farming in southern Ethiopia. He tells me the government doesn't tax the produce for 5 years and the equipment he brought from abroad is duty free, The government also provides farming experts to commercial farmers free off charge. and many incentives to insure their success. This sort of things never been done in country history and we should give a credit to the government for setting the right policy.

I'm going to continue to blog about investment and education etc...I have to go for now. Please be civil about this topic. No name calling. 8)


1. The word "investment" is inapplicable in this case, because most of the money comes in the form of foreign aid, that is alms, not investment.

The few private "investors" are Al Amoudi and the Indian commercial farmers.

Ethiopians with money are not allowed to invest anywhere in the country unless they are affiliated with Woyane.

2. You wrote, "This sort of things never been done in country history and we should give a credit to the government for setting the right policy."

This shows your memory doesn't extend beyon the Derg, because H/S used to encourage Alamaya Institute graduates to start their own farms and plantations, they used to get free land and loans, and many of them became wealthy farmers, without having to belong to any political organization as it is mandatory today.

3. Woyane's success is a mere illusion, it is a house of cards a mere ponzi scheme, it take one major crises to bring it all crashing down, but since your family is making money and prospering now, you are unwilling to see that.

4. How can a country starving for food afford to export flowers to wealthy countries?

5. How can a country starving for food afford to export rice to Arab and Asian countries?

6. How can a country devastated by such a dangerous population growth rate even hope to have better future?



Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby Yakume » 12 Jun 2012, 09:14


Minelik wrote:Jason intentionally ignored my question...I am not surprised..Jason aka Zemen tinish atafrem????

Guys believe me Jason is Zemen.



Minilik aka Belaynesh, Jason is better than you in terms of education and vision, and also communication. Because you are dirty and double face Amara / Woyane! Can you tell us your opinion about human right issues of Oromo and other communities in Ethiopia?



Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby Minelik » 12 Jun 2012, 12:15


Afdist, why do not you Stfu you stinky donkey?



Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby Jason » 12 Jun 2012, 18:05


Semira wrote:
Jason wrote:I have to go for now. Please be civil about this topic. No name calling.


Jessica

welcome back but from the above sentence, you looked very afraid that someone will lash you out for your newly found love for the mercenary banda weyannes and its cronies. fes yalebet rucha aychelim endilu, you knew you are going to be disputed and lashed 40 times just like the thieves recieve in the islamic world. let me tell you this. people like you can easily sell your soul for cheap dollars. as long as you recieved some left over, you call that a day. but the minute weyanne stoppes that pipe-line you sip their left over, you cry wolf. a case example is wzro belaynesh who was an ardent supporter of weyanne till her construction machine couldn't start business rusting by days eating all her life time saving.

I have been to ethiopia very recently and ofcourse it is a heaven for those who want to lust, show-off and party. those who thought they could make it there will end up returning after a year or so. The reality there is that you need the connection and the blessing of one qimalam to succeed. for many ethiopian diaspora, this is unacceptable. you should have every right in your country and turf. i have extended families who are fresh graduates and unless they join one the teletafi organizations(Servant organizations of TPLF which they call it EPRDF to cover), there is no job. if ethiopia is getting prosperous, there is no need to force the youth to join those ashker organizations. the same goes in the business world.

we will give you 2 years if you stand by your words

Hi semira,

First let me say that i've not been a benefactor of Woyannie rule. My intention is to paint a picture as i see it, and what i saw back home is an eye opener. However, if you noticed my commentary i've not touched base on the political situation inside the country. I planned on commenting but i was kind of swamped with work the other day.

You and i see eye to eye on many fronts and politics is one of them. You are right there are discrimination on many front. It happened to my cousin. After graduating from Jimma University in Finance, the government assigned him to work in Assebe Teferi instead of his hometown Jimma, my cousin asked to be transferred to Jimma for years to be close to his family but each time his request kept getting denied. However, when he joined OPDO, they transferred him right away. Yes it's true in order to get ahead especially in government you need to be a member of OPDO, TPLD and ANDM. also in private sector i also heard stories of systematic discrimination by Woyannie owned companies.

For example in order to be hired in Woyannie owned "Wegagen Bank", you need to speak Tigrega. Regardless of your qualification your ethnicity trumps your qualification. This sort of thing is common in many sectors including Ethiopian airlines. I also heard stories about successful Ethiopians getting arrested for being successful. The stories i heard is when a Woyannie business man wants to eliminate his competition, he calls on his comrades inside government to charge him with "Musina" aka corruption to eliminate competition.

As for politics the folks back home pretty much gave up for now on the ideals of having a freedom to live, work and assemble. The people i spoke pretty much got disappointing the way thing unfolded after election. They thought if they hold their ground the leaders would show them the way but that didn't happen. There are many neighborhoods in Addis Woyannie currently punishing for resisting their rule during the aftermath of the election by letting the roads deteriorate in Areas like Kechene, Medhanyalem, and Cherkos. The people i spoke to in those area pretty much gave up on the ideas of liberation for now but if they see an able leader i'm sure based on what i heard, they stand ready to fight.

Semira in last i have a question for you. What is your solution. Should the Ethiopian people stay idle until a new leader emerge or should they keep getting stronger by educating and working?...I prefer the latter.

Peace!



Re: Back from Ethiopia!

Postby Yakume » 12 Jun 2012, 18:28


Minelik wrote:Afdist, why do not you Stfu you stinky donkey?


Minilik aka Belaynesh, the dirty and double face Amara / Woyane and criminals like you should be taken to the court. Don't make a business on human right issues with Oromo and other communities in Ethiopia! No compromises on the human rights issues in this world, specially in the USA!

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