Zmeselo wrote:Comformist, let´s go far back in time and analize this. First of all, you have to remember that Ethiopia is a new name for your nation. For just about a 100-150 years ago, your country was known as Abissinia. Now, Abissinia, as U well know, means land of the habesh. The habesh people, you find them both in today´s Eritrea and Ethiopia. If we talk about the history of the Abissinians in particular, then you find that most of that history begins in the area today called Eritrea. Since Eritrea is the gateway to Africa, every influence that comes from across the sea, is bound to affect the people living in that area than people living further. With this statement I want to say that Eritrea is the mother of Ethiopia and not vice versa. So, in our (eritreans) view, the appropriate name should be Ge´ez rite and not Ethiopic because christianity in our area is much older than Eritrea and Ethiopia. In other words, we eritreans don´t have this view just to become seperate from ethiopians just for separetness sake.
But that is no way refutes what I claimed, my claim was Eritrea has more in common with the Habesha people of Ethiopia than differences. If Eritrea is the mother of Ethiopia, as you claimed, it only proves what I said. Okay let's asy Ethiopia is 150 years old as you said, that doesn't disprove what i claimed, my claim is strictly that we have so much in common with Eritreans, it is often difficult to distinguish us. But on the other hand, Eritreans are very tense about anything that might associate them with Ethiopia. As an example, the term "Ethiopic" is not an Amhara invention, in Ethiopia we always used the term "Ge'ez", Ethiopic was a term used by European scholars especially after James Bruce discovered the Book of Enoch in Ethiopia.
So if you use the term Ge'ez, you are still associated with us, because that's what we use, even if Ge'ez originated in Eritrea it makes no difference, we are still connected by the use of the common term. I am not talking about a political connection, but the cultural connection can not be broken.
your third point is a little bit mistaken. Let´s quote the guy again: "Thus, in this view, Eritrea emerged ECCLESIALLY as formerly under Abyssinian/Ethiopian missionary status to its own Apostolic Prefecture precisely because everything was to be under the direction of the Italian state. This will, I would contend, play an important role in the concomitant development of an Eritrean identity vis-à-vis Tigrayans, et al." I think it says from uder Abissinian/Ethiopian missionary status to its OWN Apostolic prefecture. Isn´t that the opposite of what U thought when U said: "Here we are told, the Italians themselves placed Eritrea under the Ethiopian classification, since the Italians intended to conquer and rule the whole of Ethiopia."
You are right here, I didn't read this carefully enough, it actually claims the opposite of what I thought he said.
Who told you eritreans still fell favored by the italians? Why do U insult our intelligence like that? I bet you never sat with eritrean old-folks who lived under the italian times and you would hear horror stories of what the italians were doing to eritreans.
I have often read articles by Eritreans intellectuals claiming Italian rule as their golden age.
For example in the following paper written by an Eritrean called Assefaw Bariagaber, you read the following typical claim about the era,
"While Italian rule may be remembered as the golden age for the economic well-being of many Eritreans, British rule represented the golden age for an open and an uninhibited political expression in Eritrea never seen before and after. This further cemented the Eritrean identity of the people and their distinction from Ethiopians. Indeed, the stark difference between the open and more or less democratic political system in Eritrea and the closed, autocratic system in Ethiopia was bound to make any unity, and indeed any federal arrangement, unsustainable."
The feelings we´ve towards Ethiopia, you have to remember, is still fresh in our minds and the treatment was savage.
I don't doubt that, great horrors were inflicted on so many innocent people in the name of the Amhara, which explains a lot about how Eritreans feel about Ethiopia over all. But this is a difficult thing to resolve, neither me or nor any one in my family ever served in the Derg or Woyane military, none of us have Eritrean blood in our hands, but the way life is, if one man in your tribe commits a crime the whole tribe is blamed. But there is no doubt terrible deeds were commited by successive Ethiopian regimes in Eritrea.
I read some of your posts admitting to that fact as well.- Not only was it savage but it didn´t teach us anything new as the italian colonialism did. In fact, quite the contrary. Ethiopians were seen destroying the little the italians had built, even though they built for their selfish purpose.
That's not entirely accurate, because under the Derg nothing was ever built in Ethiopia, because the Derg was a destroyer not a builder. During H/S there was limited progress, and as far as i know eritreans were never denied the opportunity to share in whatever little progress the country enjoyed. I have never been in Eritrea, or even Tigray for that matter, but I have been to all the other provinces of Ethiopia, even Ogaden. During H/S rule Eritreans were everywhere, in schools they were the top of the class, they owned a disproportionately high number of lucrative businesses, the Ethiopian Airlines was dominated by Eritreans, there were a disproportionatly high number of Eritrean officers in the military. Aman Andom was the best, but there were others too. But this was true even during Woyane rule, the proof is the enormous amounts of wealth and property that was stolen by Woyane during the expulsion.
So you claim Eritreans had gained nothing from Ethiopia, but if so where did they get all the Eritrean wealth that was stolen by Woyane?
The reason we "hate" the ethiopian system (mind U, not the people) is not because we were brainwashed by the europeans but because Ethiopia treated us almost as Hitler treated the jews.
Well, i hate the Ethiopian system too, it is bad, bad, bad. No nation should be run the way Ethiopia was being run the last few decades.
I don't deny Eritreans were mistreated by the Derg, but comparing that to Hitler is a gross exaggeration. The Derg did commit atrocities in areas of conflict, but Derg never systematically targeted Eritreans for extermination because of their ethnicity. There were hundreds of thousands of Eritreans living all over Ethiopia during the entire Derg rule, but no one ever was molested based on ethnicity, it is always either on suspicions of political involvement, or atrocities in the battle areas in Eritrea itself. There were atrocities in Eritrea, but not to the scale of what Hitler did to the Jews.
Your last statement is not correct because the italians had conquered your country too and they saw the same "submissiveness" there as in Eritrea. Plus, it ain´t a big deal for a european country at the time, to conquer and submit an area in Africa with a small population of probably 500 000.
That is true, the men with a fighting spirit were gassed, and strafed in the intitial battles. After that what was left were the minority resistance Patriots and the majority of submissive sheep. That's why Ethiopia needed to be liberated by the British, which wasn't much of a liberation, since today meles take his orders from London. But in all fairness, the only people Eritreans ever resisted were the Ethiopians, Eritreans never resisted the Turks or the Italians in any resolute way. That's why today we have so much trouble resolving this conflict between Ethiopia and Eritrea.
But that's not to say Eritrea is the cause of Ethiopia's sickness, Ethiopia is sick due to her own fault, so don't think I am blaming Eritrea for what ails Ethiopia.