It's a matter of advancing one's interests. What I attempted to do was to see if there is any way the Eritrean gov't and the Ethiopian opposition can collaborate in advancing their mutual interests, i.e., the removal of the Woyanne junta and bring peace to the region. By arresting two senior leaders of Tinsae Ethiopia, the Eritrean gov't has shown that it has no interest in establishing a mutually beneficial relationship with Ethiopians and demonstrated its contempt for genuine nationalist Ethiopians.

Elias, could you explain to us how denouncing Shaebia will get the two guys out of jail? And also if you do not mind, can you explain to us how denouncing Shaebia will move your struggle ahead? I found your move, rash and counterproductive, if you want my honest opinion. At a time when you want to minimize your enemy and maximize your friends, you seem to make just another unexpected move.

Really good luck, I still respect you. But I know I will never understand your moves. There is a lot of surprise here.

the beauty of the past is that it is the past. The beauty of the now is to know it. The beauty of the the future is to see where one is going

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Elias keep up your faith and trust on Ethiopia and Ethiopians alone.

No one but Ethiopians are the one who can bring the needed changes.

Trying to install puppet groups like TPDM is already backfiring on the Eritrean regime.

I have said in this forum very clearly what is the motive of Tyrant Asheibr and tyarnt ISSAYSS was . These two leaders are buying time in order to stay in power. They know exactly what they are expecting in the near future. Since both of them are dictators, they don't have the willing to give power soon. Both dictators are going to stay for long time by playing their dirty games. I do believe Elias is on the right course. We have to give him more credit for what he is doing. Yes he had tried his best to bring to close the bridge between Ethiopian opposition groups and the Eriteran govt for long time. Now he understand what is really going on more than any one in this forum. Let us be honest each other and it is time to move on with out the support of Eriteran govt in order to get rid of tyrant Asheibr for good. We have to do it by our selves.

It's a matter of advancing one's interests. What I attempted to do was to see if there is any way the Eritrean gov't and the Ethiopian opposition can collaborate in advancing their mutual interests, i.e., the removal of the Woyanne junta and bring peace to the region. By arresting two senior leaders of Tinsae Ethiopia, the Eritrean gov't has shown that it has no interest in establishing a mutually beneficial relationship with Ethiopians and demonstrated its contempt for genuine nationalist Ethiopians.

Elias, could you explain to us how denouncing Shaebia will get the two guys out of jail? And also if you do not mind, can you explain to us how denouncing Shaebia will move your struggle ahead? I found your move, rash and counterproductive, if you want my honest opinion. At a time when you want to minimize your enemy and maximize your friends, you seem to make just another unexpected move.

Really good luck, I still respect you. But I know I will never understand your moves. There is a lot of surprise here.

Is HIGDEF manipulating the Ethiopian Opposition movements? Who is pulling the strings here? Who needs whom more?

Petros Ethiopia= edu?

who gives hoots what hgdef cadres say in their emails. we already know them. they are the scum of the earth. they never speak up for jailed Eritrean heros. we are moving ahead without them. yes i'm talking about sofia, dr berhe, dr. ghdion, amaniel bedamariam etc etc. the eritrean youth is organizing everywhere and these hgdef cadres face isolation after hgdef is gone and they know it.

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Elias, could you explain to us how denouncing Shaebia will get the two guys out of jail? And also if you do not mind, can you explain to us how denouncing Shaebia will move your struggle ahead? I found your move, rash and counterproductive, if you want my honest opinion. At a time when you want to minimize your enemy and maximize your friends, you seem to make just another unexpected move. Really good luck, I still respect you. But I know I will never understand your moves. There is a lot of surprise here.

1. Whether I denounce Shabia or keep quite, the two leaders will not be freed, and I now consider them martyrs. Shabia jail is like Bermuda Triangle.
2. Denouncing Shabia will not move the struggle to liberate Ethiopia one inch. At the same time, I don't want Shabia to exploit the poor Ethiopians it organized under the puppet groups named TPDM, EPPF and others.
3. I believe in minimizing enemies and maximizing friends for the sake of the struggle. That's why I went to Eritrea to establish a working friendship, against the advise of so many people. What did Shabia do in return? Slap me in the face by arresting my comrades without any explanation what so ever. Trying to work with Shabia has turned so many Ethiopians (who knew Shabia better than I do) against me. I took a big risk and bit the dust. However, I am confident that those who are angry at me will forgive my risky venture because they know that I did it out of genuine interest to expedite the demise of Woyanne.
4. There are some Eritreans in Shabia who desire a genuine relationship with Ethiopians like me. They are sad and terribly disappointed with the likes of Col Fitsum who are anti-Ethiopia to the core and have no interest in building healthy relation with any Ethiopian group. Unfortunately for both Ethiopians and Eritreans, as it has become apparent now, those sinister anti-Ethiopia Eritreans have the upper hand in the Eritrean gov't.

Beka is a slogan that calls for an end to the Woyanne rule in Ethiopia. Writing Beka slogan on walls is part of Tinsae Ethiopia’s civil resistance campaign that includes economic boycott, disabling Woyanne’s economic infrastructure, and helping create a transitional government to replace Woyanne. See photos here: http://tinsae.org/index/?p=15099

The arrest of of Tinsae Ethiopia's 2 senior leaders, Col Tadesse Muluneh and Col. Abebe Geresu, by Eritrean government is big setback, but the fledgling organization is regrouping and taking actions again. The two leaders were thrown in jail by Eritrean authorities just us Tinsae Ethiopia prepared to launch a civil resistance campaign in several cities in Ethiopia. I have lost any hope that the Eritrean gov't will play a positive role in helping bring change in Ethiopia. What the Eritrean gov't wants is puppet groups like TPDM that they can install in Arat Kilo -- the same way they brought TPLF to power, which turned out to be a disaster for them. Trying to install puppet groups like TPDM is already backfiring on the Eritrean regime. Currently, the level of resentment among Ethiopians toward the Eritrean gov't is back to where it was when Shabia and Woyanne were working together. This is because of the narrow-mindedness of the Eritrean leadership that resorted to a zero-sum game instead of working for a win-win situation for both Ethiopia and Eritrea. The arrest of Taddesse and Abebe, in particular, is unbelievably idiotic as it has absolutely no benefit for the Eritrean gov't, but the damage it has caused on the effort to forge a working relationship between Ethiopian opposition groups and Eritrean gov't is incalculable. The conventional Ethiopian thinking toward Shabia has turned out to be on the mark, and my theory that Shabia wants a genuine relation with Ethiopian opposition groups has been debunked by the actions of the Eritrean gov't itself. I came to this conclusion very reluctantly, and a recent nasty email exchange with a Shabia cadre in Washington DC named Amanuel Andeberhan tells it all. I will post that email exchange here in due time.

Elias,

Can you drop a line or two about the following questions? This will help the readers understand about this whole issue and TPDM as an organization.

Can you tell us the exact number of TPDM fighting force - I have heard that they are 70,000 strong men and women armed to teeth. I called back home two weeks ago and they told me they are the biggest opposition army in Eritrea. Extremely organized and well trained in Sahel mountains.

Do you think the Government of Eritrea made a smart or retarded move by helping TPDM? Why the GoE helps TPDM with out any precondition and treat them best?
Is that true TPDM is a mighty force that are capable of overthrown the Meles regime and consolidate power back to Tigray again for another 50 years.

Can you tell us about TPDM?

For the reference see the following TPDM: Do you think this force is a treat to the national security of Eritrea worst than those people who talk about Eritrean ports day in and out in DC in particular one ethnic group which is a mortal enemy of Eritrea ?

Do you think TPDM will mend and heal the wounds between the Eritrean people and Tigray people? Therefore, the power will be in north again and forever?

who gives hoots what hgdef cadres say in their emails. we already know them. they are the scum of the earth. they never speak up for jailed Eritrean heros. we are moving ahead without them. yes i'm talking about sofia, dr berhe, dr. ghdion, amaniel bedamariam etc etc. the eritrean youth is organizing everywhere and these hgdef cadres face isolation after hgdef is gone and they know it.

Eritrea is on bad terms with all of its neighbors except Sudan. Sudan is Eritrea´s closest and most important friend, as it supplies petroleum, grain, consumer goods, political support, and cooperates on military issues.
http://old.aftenposten.no/spesial/wikil ... 152468.ece

1. Whether I denounce Shabia or keep quite, the two leaders will not be freed, and I now consider them martyrs. Shabia jail is like Bermuda Triangle.
2. Denouncing Shabia will not move the struggle to liberate Ethiopia one inch. At the same time, I don't want Shabia to exploit the poor Ethiopians it organized under the puppet groups named TPDM, EPPF and others.
3. I believe in minimizing enemies and maximizing friends for the sake of the struggle. That's why I went to Eritrea to establish a working friendship, against the advise of so many people. What did Shabia do in return? Slap me in the face by arresting my comrades without any explanation what so ever. Trying to work with Shabia has turned so many Ethiopians (who knew Shabia better than I do) against me. I took a big risk and bit the dust. However, I am confident that those who are angry at me will forgive my risky venture because they know that I did it out of genuine interest to expedite the demise of Woyanne.
4. There are some Eritreans in Shabia who desire a genuine relationship with Ethiopians like me. They are sad and terribly disappointed with the likes of Col Fitsum who are anti-Ethiopia to the core and have no interest in building healthy relation with any Ethiopian group. Unfortunately for both Ethiopians and Eritreans, as it has become apparent now, those sinister anti-Ethiopia Eritreans have the upper hand in the Eritrean gov't.

You have so much power and responsibility I think I should air my opinion without reservation so that you may see a different perspective.

You said your denouncing of Shaebia will neither get your comrades out of jail nor will it move your struggle one inch. You are only interested in paying back to Shaebia for figuratively slapping you in your face. If I were in your position, I would identify my goals, which is to get the two guys out of jail and move the struggle one inch further. Anything everything that will not contribute to this goal, I will ignore it and focus only on what will achieve my stated goal. Any consideration for "a slap in the face" etc will be ignored. That makes the task of removing Weyane a lot more easier, in my humble opinion. But that is me.