AkeleGuzai..
Forget the Tigrean Aklabat TPDM , uggume is uggme no difference between them and TPLF. If Tigrean pepole are suffering or if they are poor let them suffer and be poor why should we care?? Have they cared for us?? NO!! so why should we care for them?? When Italians invaded our country did the Ethiopians come to our aid the same as we came to their aid in the battle of Adwa, supplying them with first class information about italian positions after our Rases had infiltrated the ascari force? Did we not try to kill graziani in addis in order to revenge the Italians for f0ckin with us? How many Amahra or Tigreans do you know who came to fight the italians in Eritrea ?? They are sellouts, they never did nothing for us besides creating problems after problems, take Menelik, and Ras Alula as an example.

speaking of Ras Alula , who´s fault is it that the lowlands(Tigre,Beja,Hdareb, etc)who used to be die hard Christians became Muslims ?? why did they abandoned Christianity and embraced Islam and started to collaborate with the Egyptians and Mahdi forces?

And what makes TPDM so "interesting"? Who cares about them?? why should we spend our recourse and time for these peoples?? RULE nr1...Ni Aegeme AYTMENU = dont trust tigreans, how hard is it to understand?? Look at history and learn..You cant even trust Agamee or Amhara as Christians brothers..Take a look at abel qael who is a Tigray muslim (not jeberti which is false identity stolen from Debarwa). They used to be a Christian but when Ahmed grang came to town he started to collaborate with him and killing his own people..That makes Tigray muslims SELLOUTS. DONT TRUST THESE PEOPLE!!!! I salute Col Fitsum, and i hope to meet him one day to share my ideas..

My eritrean brothers and sisters, if there is one thing we learn from all this mess is that already today we see what the future of ethiopia will be. The country will definitely be like Yugoslavia! I had my doubts before and I was FOR a united, peaceful and prosperous Ethiopia with all enjoying its fruits irrespective of which tribe they belonged. But now, NO! I don´t know if it´s good or bad but it´s ,definitely, soon going to be a fact!

Just wanna drop the saying "The true character of a woman only becomes apparent after the divorce."
Elias, as I said it before please grow up, it is not shabayas fault that you were abandoned by all good spirits:!:

Then, whose is it? shabo is a curse. Look at Mubarak, Ghadaffi, al Shabaab... you name it. The sooner you break with shabo, the better off you will be.

Look at Meles; he broke with traitor shabo and ended-up on top like no Ethiopian, or African for that matter, Head of State ever has.

Adwash,

There is nothing your little master can contribute in any summit. Meles is just panhandler and the white MASTA enjoy it !!

By the way, what is wrong with your little frog? He is getting smaller and smaller. We thought aid would help to be stronger ???

It looks like your little master is going to disappear soon. So sad indeed!

R.I.P Abay Tigray

once shabo is gone: Liberyy, equality, fraternity, prosperity,securiy, traInquility, ity,...you name it, comes to the H of A.

Adwash Malelit,

Enjoy worshipping your CREATOR:

Eyasu Berhe Abebe Araya worshiping Eritreans :

Beggar is always beggar!!! Am I right Adwash ??

R.I.P Abay Tigray

Elias,
Like some one wrote if isias care less about the G15 who spent their lives fighting for Eritrea, why do you think will about the two Ethiopian s? If really care about Ethiopia's interested.. he wouldn't help another TPLF, the TPDM . Time to wake up smell Ethiopian coffee & stop hoping Isias will help you to get rid of weyane. As per the email you got from PFDJ's puppet, no need to post it. If people like Amanuel didn't not say a word about the G15 who are dying one by one & about their brother/sister who are being slaughtered in Sinai desert , we do not expect a good word about the two Ethiopian opposition leaders who are in Eritrea prison.

[elias]

Akele guzai
do you agree that we should not trust these people of TPDM and EPPF? Elias said working with EPPF is a win-win situation for Eritrean Government but in reality is more like they win and we loose situation. If we let them launch attacks from Eritrea the Tigrean dogs in Arat kilo will go cry to their white master and ask for financial and military support,and the white pigs will take this opportunity and help them in order to get their hands of our resources while Weyane with their inferiority complex go rampage on Eritrean infrastructure like they did in Badme war destroying factory burning houses etc...All this for the sake of TPDM and EPPF???

This message smells Woyanne. Real Shabia cadres, even those who hold such views, do not write like this on Ethiopia forum.

[elias]

More crimes from "the poor and innocent" Amharas
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On 10th of July 1974 over 170 civilians were massacred in Om Hager.

• On January 31, 1975 Over the following four days, government soldiers went on the rampage through the city. Civilians were dragged from their houses and executed. According to the Human Right Watch up to 3,000 people were killed in the city

• In March, 1975, 100 patients in Asmara hospital were killed, their bodies being taken out in trucks to be buried.

• On 9 March 1975 over 200 civilians in Agordat were killed by the Ethiopian soldiers

• On 13 March 1975 the Ethiopian soldiers rounded up the villagers of Woki on a piece of waste ground and shot 37 dead

• On 14 March, 1975 many women, children and old men were bayoneted and pregnant women were slit open / The Ethiopians then killed all the livestock and set fire to the house

• On 17 April 1975, 235 civilians in Hirgigo were killed by the Ethiopian army

• In summer 1975, 110 people in the village of Wokiduba were herded into an orthodox church and massacred.

• In 1975-1976 many youth were killed by steel wires and knifing down in the streets of the capital of Asmara
Source (Dines 1988; Human Rights Watch 1991)
In March 1976 the army also shot dead 42 civilans in the capital Asmara, and 60 women and chldren were machine gunned in the Red Sea village of Imberemi.
On 1 January 1977 when the troops moved into Hirgigo, (12 km from Massawa) they burned it to the ground after massacring 64 women , children and the elderly who were too weak to escape.
In the same year on 19 February, six villages around Elaboret in the province of Senhit were also set alight by the Ethiopian troops. ( Dines 1978: 2)

All this is just a drop in the ocean, there is much more to write..

Derg is not an Amhara organization, and it has committed atrocities against every one, not just Eritreans. I know so many Amhara families who lost their sons and daughters to Derg bullets. I have also heard that more Eritreans have died fighting against each other than those killed by Derg. One particular interview that Isaias Afwerki gave to Amare Aregawi several years ago describes how he lost so many of his friends who were killed by ELF, some of whom in the most gruesome way (I will try to find the interview and post it here). Poor Amharas are as much victims as poor Tigreans, poor Eritreans, poor Oromos and others. Derg was a group of ignorant low-ranking military officers who believed that the solution to every thing is shooting, because that is the only thing they know, but unlike Woyanne and Shabia, Dergs are not racists and did not promote hatred against any ethnic group. Unlike Woyanne, Derg did not conduct an ethnic cleansing campaign against Eritreans. And remember who came to the aid of Eritreans when Woyanne confiscated their properties and kicked them out of the country. It was the poor Amhara and Oromo.

Ertrawnet,

Now you are beginning to sound like TPLF. Whining about Amhara endlessley. Should Ogadenis now blame Tigrayans for the crimes being committed there against civilians by current gov't?

Mengistu was a butcher and it so happened that Eritrea was seeking independence so he did a lot of butchering there. They guy even killed the head of the church. Not even a single EPLF leader blamed Amhara people either before independence or since. All the crimes were committed by Derg. Even Derg troops who were captured by EPLF were taken care of, given education opportunities, etc (see below video 7:50 and 10:00; also at 4:27 Isaias blames "the regime"). Also doesn't mean that just because an Amhara did not believe Eritrea should be independent they are an enemy. There were even very few Eritreans (and still are) who were against independence and they were never arrested or harmed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6mGIeD3DJo

More crimes from "the poor and innocent" Amharas
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On 10th of July 1974 over 170 civilians were massacred in Om Hager.

• On January 31, 1975 Over the following four days, government soldiers went on the rampage through the city. Civilians were dragged from their houses and executed. According to the Human Right Watch up to 3,000 people were killed in the city

• In March, 1975, 100 patients in Asmara hospital were killed, their bodies being taken out in trucks to be buried.

• On 9 March 1975 over 200 civilians in Agordat were killed by the Ethiopian soldiers

• On 13 March 1975 the Ethiopian soldiers rounded up the villagers of Woki on a piece of waste ground and shot 37 dead

• On 14 March, 1975 many women, children and old men were bayoneted and pregnant women were slit open / The Ethiopians then killed all the livestock and set fire to the house

• On 17 April 1975, 235 civilians in Hirgigo were killed by the Ethiopian army

• In summer 1975, 110 people in the village of Wokiduba were herded into an orthodox church and massacred.

• In 1975-1976 many youth were killed by steel wires and knifing down in the streets of the capital of Asmara
Source (Dines 1988; Human Rights Watch 1991)
In March 1976 the army also shot dead 42 civilans in the capital Asmara, and 60 women and chldren were machine gunned in the Red Sea village of Imberemi.
On 1 January 1977 when the troops moved into Hirgigo, (12 km from Massawa) they burned it to the ground after massacring 64 women , children and the elderly who were too weak to escape.
In the same year on 19 February, six villages around Elaboret in the province of Senhit were also set alight by the Ethiopian troops. ( Dines 1978: 2)

All this is just a drop in the ocean, there is much more to write..

Derg is not an Amhara organization, and it has committed atrocities against every one, not just Eritreans. I know so many Amhara families who lost their sons and daughters to Derg bullets. I have also heard that more Eritreans have died fighting against each other than those killed by Derg. One particular interview that Isaias Afwerki gave to Amare Aregawi several years ago describes how he lost so many of his friends to ELF (I will try to find the interview and post it here). Poor Amharas are as much victims as poor Tigreans, poor Eritreans, poor Oromos and others. Derg was a group of ignorant low-ranking military officers who believed that the solution to every thing is shooting, because that is the only thing they know, but unlike Woyanne and Shabia, Dergs are not racists and did not promote hatred against any ethnic group. Unlike Woyanne, Derg did not conduct an ethnic cleansing campaign against Eritreans. And remember who came to the aid of Eritreans when Woyanne confiscated their properties and kicked them out of the country. It was the poor Amhara and Oromo.

AkeleGuzai..
Forget the Tigrean Aklabat TPDM , uggume is uggme no difference between them and TPLF. If Tigrean pepole are suffering or if they are poor let them suffer and be poor why should we care?? Have they cared for us?? NO!! so why should we care for them?? When Italians invaded our country did the Ethiopians come to our aid the same as we came to their aid in the battle of Adwa, supplying them with first class information about italian positions after our Rases had infiltrated the ascari force? Did we not try to kill graziani in addis in order to revenge the Italians for f0ckin with us? How many Amahra or Tigreans do you know who came to fight the italians in Eritrea ?? They are sellouts, they never did nothing for us besides creating problems after problems, take Menelik, and Ras Alula as an example.

speaking of Ras Alula , who´s fault is it that the lowlands(Tigre,Beja,Hdareb, etc)who used to be die hard Christians became Muslims ?? why did they abandoned Christianity and embraced Islam and started to collaborate with the Egyptians and Mahdi forces?

And what makes TPDM so "interesting"? Who cares about them?? why should we spend our recourse and time for these peoples?? RULE nr1...Ni Aegeme AYTMENU = dont trust tigreans, how hard is it to understand?? Look at history and learn..You cant even trust Agamee or Amhara as Christians brothers..Take a look at abel qael who is a Tigray muslim (not jeberti which is false identity stolen from Debarwa). They used to be a Christian but when Ahmed grang came to town he started to collaborate with him and killing his own people..That makes Tigray muslims SELLOUTS. DONT TRUST THESE PEOPLE!!!! I salute Col Fitsum, and i hope to meet him one day to share my ideas..

Eritrawnet,

You are a crap weyane agaggaga,e,e,,e,eme. Leave poor people - I am talking elites of Amara, Tigrean, Eritreans and Oromo. the poor people have nothing to do with politics.

You sound like a weyane crape too me! No Eritrean will target a poor amhara people. You must be weyane in particular EDEN! I totally disagree with you my friend. You should lower your tone! Do not be emotional like Elias! Yes, Derge is a collection of Amara and Oromo soldiers from south Ethiopia. This is a simple fact. Mengustu is both Amara and Oromo so do n't blame Amara only. Tigreans also committed lots of crimes against us as well.

My argument is a united Ethiopia is always a killing Machin for Eritrea - that is what I understand. EPPF sole objective is to hard Eritrean interest - I am 100% sure about this. I know the politics of Ethiopians - the main reason Amara hate Meles is nothing except for letting Eritrea go except bleed us. This is a simple fact. They will try all they can to reverse our independence at any cost - means more killings and more detraction and so on. Those elites don't care about the land sold in Ethiopia , all the mess in Ethiopia except few people like Elias but the majority of them think about Assab. They think Meles is the only person blocking them from happening. Remember also during the 2000 war - unanimously those group side with weyane - all the DERGUE soldiers who were prisinors of war in Eritrea. That is why I have reservation about them - their objective contradict the reality of ethiopia. Means this organization is not needed at all. what does it mean arbegnoch? What is the map they hold? you need to ask this. who are this people - from which tribe etc/ why they oppose the TPLF regime etc

I know lots of Oromo, Tigreans, Eritreans and Ogaden people don't like this group - it is killing Machin.


TPDM is a good organization and need to be empowered - they need to broaden their base to include Oromo and Ogaden ONLY! They need to avoid EPPF. Since EPPF leaks information and need to punish them. You have to ask who is TUKUR CHAKA? Who provides information to Ethiomedia.com and Eklias kifle? When EPPF is dismantled - no leak of information is found? The same story with G7 - you have to handle them carefully. They can leak information. I am not saying all of them are like this but the Eritreans need to be careful.

TPDM is the best option to work with us although Tigreans have a bad reputation when it comes to Eritrea. I fully support TPDM! TPDM is capable of removing TPLF!

Thanks Eritrawnet - but you look weyane to me bastard. I can easily smell your bad hygiene. You are weyane! period.

Donn't be so arrogant on Elias, he loves his country too - but my problem is their motives of bringing us to war again - Assab. So we have to take the extreme side. Although it is agannist the interest of everybody but we to pursue that.

The Assab idea is equivalent to Yugoslavia idea. if one pursues the Assab idea the other will follow Yugoslavia idea. This two options are bad for the region.
Ethiopia and Eritrea will need to help each other but it is very hard to work with Ethiopia - they say 90 million people don't have a port bla ba bal . This is nonsense - I tell them go and get LAMU port then. If peace need to prevalent in Eritrea those two ideas need to discard. Remember if you say you want to invade Assab - I will work the Yugoslavia card too. We need to move on with what we have. Personally, I don't want to come here had it not the issue of assab annoyed me.

Book Review: “Assab YeManat: Ye-Ethiopia Ye-Bahr Ber Tiyake,” in Amharic by Abebe Haile
Dr.Yacob Haile-Mariam is probably one of the few Ethiopians who can provide a competent historical, legal and political analysis of why Ethiopia became landlocked and what may be done to resolve the stalemate. Fortunately, he doesn’t leave the matter hanging in stalemate, but gives alternative suggestions for Ethiopia and Eritrea to accommodate each other by coming up with a win-win solution.
http://www.abugidainfo.com/index.php/18740/

Akele guzai

Iam a Weyane because i dont support TPDM or EPPF?? Do you know how many anti Weyane threads i have made in this forum?? Did i not come to the defense of my Hamasien brothers when halafi mengdi talked about them as womans ?? where you not there in the same thread??
Weyane can all go to hell, what makes you a eritrean?? why does a Eritrean use a regional name? You Regionalist bastard... Anyways my point is we are better off if we dont associate our self with them (Ethiopian oppostion).. I never said i hate amhara, i just said dont trust the ethiopian oppostion may it be TPDM or EPPF or any other group because they have secret agenda...Then Elias said "you hate amhara" and "you smell like weyane" twisting my words in order to smear me. why did he not say "you hate tigreans" because i did mention both groups..How does my views on TPDM and EPPF make me a weyane??

Akele guzai you dont have your own VIEWS you are a dumb follower, you started to call me weyane just because Elias said it..Stop following Elias thought of mind and try to come with your own ideas, i hate people like you who are damn followers. You dont support EPPF your self, are you a weyane too??

Akele Guzai wrote: Do you think the Government of Eritrea made a smart or retarded move by helping TPDM? Why the GoE helps TPDM with out any precondition and treat them best?
Is that true TPDM is a mighty force that are capable of overthrown the Meles regime and consolidate power back to Tigray again for another 50 years.

You Agammiee lover, why do you want Tigreans for another 50 years?? And why has not Elias replied to you, do you think Elias deep inside wants TPDM to rule?? Why would you ask those dumb questions to Elias, If GOE is smart or retarded?? Your Retarded your self posting pic of hanged Eritreans and asking dumb question.