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The plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby Yakume » 05 Aug 2012, 14:56


At 96.55% of the local population, the region is predominantly inhabited by people from the Semitic-speaking Tigray people. Most other residents hail from other Afro-Asiatic communities, including the Amhara, Irob, Afar, Agaw and Oromo. There are also a minority of Nilo-Saharan-speaking Kunama Nilotes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigray_Region. About 11% of Saho people are in Tigray region of Ethiopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saho_people)

Amhara warlords repeatedly struggled for power of the realm with Tigrayan warlords. Though many branches of the Imperial dynasty were from the Amharic speaking area, a considerable amount was from Tigray. The Tigrayans made a short return to the throne in the person of Yohannes IV, whose death in 1889 allowed the capital to go back to the Amharic speaking province of Shewa (http://ethiopiatribe.com/)
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The Plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby Yakume » 09 Aug 2012, 15:00


The Tigray People Liberation Front, TPLF had published their organization’s manifesto in February 1976, the booklet was printed in Sudan.
The TPLF manifesto, clearly defined who a Tigryan is, the land that the TPLF considers as Tigray, and the final destination of the TPLF. The following comprises some important contents of the
manifesto.
a) A Tigryan is defined as anybody that speaks the language of Tigrigna including those who live outside Tigray, the Kunamas, the Sahos, the Afar and the Taltal, the Agew, and the Welkait.
b) The geographic boundaries of Tigray extend to the borders of the Sudan including the lands of Humera and Welkait from the region of Begemidir in Ethiopia, the land defined by Alewuha which extends down to the regions of Wollo and including Alamata, Ashengie, and Kobo, and Eritrean Kunama, the Saho and Afar lands including Assab.

C) The final goal of the TPLF is to secede from Ethiopia as an independent “Republic of Greater Tigray” by liberating the lands and peoples of Tigray.
This being the manifesto of TPLF in 1976, the question is how much of this program is implemented so far?

Details; http://www.deqebat.com/pdf006/ABAY_TIGRAY_2011_PI.pdf



Re: The Plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby revolutions » 09 Aug 2012, 16:36


Yakume wrote:C) The final goal of the TPLF is to secede from Ethiopia as an independent “Republic of Greater Tigray” by liberating the lands and peoples of Tigray.
This being the manifesto of TPLF in 1976, the question is how much of this program is implemented so far?


The TPLF program has two stages.

The first stage comprises the re-demarcation of Ethiopian internal boundaries by annexing the lands of Humera and Welkait from the region of Begemidir in Ethiopia, the land defined by Alewuha which extends down to the regions of Wollo and including Alamata, Ashengie, and Kobo. This has already been implemented. In addition, they have dismantled the entire Ethiopian Air Force from its original birth-place in Debre-Zeit and moved it to Mekelle. They built 3 international airports and several large office complexes to accommodate future embassy offices in Tigray.


The second stage is to acquire the lands of Eritrean Kunama which includes Badme, the Saho, and Afar lands including Assab. This plan was tried in 1998 with disastrous results. Nearly half a million unsuspecting Amhara and Oromo young soldiers were forced to invade Eritrea in order to carry out this second stage of the TPLF's manifesto.

When that didn't work out as planned, the woyanes started selling Ethiopian lands to foreign governments in exchange for diplomatic support at the UN in order to impose sanctions against Eritrea on fabricated charges, for the purpose of imposing arms embargo and a ban on the export of minerals, hoping to weaken the country's vital defense mechanisms. This plan has also failed to achieve the stated objectives.



Re: The plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby Wow! » 09 Aug 2012, 17:51


Even if they achieve what they dream with a heavy sucrifices, do they think they will live in peace there after by annexing something that is not theirs? Isn't that tried by Hitler and Sadam and other creasy leaders that resulted to their demise?



Re: The Plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby Yakume » 10 Aug 2012, 00:55


revolutions wrote:
Yakume wrote:C) The final goal of the TPLF is to secede from Ethiopia as an independent “Republic of Greater Tigray” by liberating the lands and peoples of Tigray.
This being the manifesto of TPLF in 1976, the question is how much of this program is implemented so far?


The TPLF program has two stages.

The first stage comprises the re-demarcation of Ethiopian internal boundaries by annexing the lands of Humera and Welkait from the region of Begemidir in Ethiopia, the land defined by Alewuha which extends down to the regions of Wollo and including Alamata, Ashengie, and Kobo. This has already been implemented. In addition, they have dismantled the entire Ethiopian Air Force from its original birth-place in Debre-Zeit and moved it to Mekelle. They built 3 international airports and several large office complexes to accommodate future embassy offices in Tigray.


The second stage is to acquire the lands of Eritrean Kunama which includes Badme, the Saho, and Afar lands including Assab. This plan was tried in 1998 with disastrous results. Nearly half a million unsuspecting Amhara and Oromo young soldiers were forced to invade Eritrea in order to carry out this second stage of the TPLF's manifesto.

When that didn't work out as planned, the woyanes started selling Ethiopian lands to foreign governments in exchange for diplomatic support at the UN in order to impose sanctions against Eritrea on fabricated charges, for the purpose of imposing arms embargo and a ban on the export of minerals, hoping to weaken the country's vital defense mechanisms. This plan has also failed to achieve the stated objectives.


This means many parts of Amhara, the Oromiya zone of Amhara, the Afar region, and parts of Eritrea will be under Tigray. Do you believe the Amharas and Eritreans will be happy with and accept this plan, or the issue is like Addisu Legesse with Legesse Meles?



Re: The plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby abel qael » 10 Aug 2012, 01:35


Do you believe the Amharas and Eritreans will be happy with it?


They can do nothing about it, may be they can bi*tch but, Tigrayan gladiators know how to bi*tchslap them like they did it for milliennia. Don't forget, we are Axumites, we ruled 29-45 kingdoms under our Axumite Empire. Only Temben ruled arrrtera and amhara( a smal enclave inside our vast Agew kingdom) for 100s of years. Gonder was built by Tigrayans. Ambagishen was our central outpost during our mobile, medieval, postAxum Rule. Lalibela was built by Axumites and by postAxum Tigreans. We can repeat what our ancestors did, we have the capacity to rule the entire continent of Africa leave alone the two Mujaliam maggatos, who never had any history of their own, other than claiming to share some of our glorious past. I tell you what, now that Guchmawi is on a long vacation ( probably somewhere in Tigray), gumames and homosins are in terrible danger if they mess up with our strategic interests. If you don't believe this, then you must be a retard,but if you believe it but you don't like it, go tell conformist to delete it( like he is deleting almost 99% of my posts.... but that is the only thing gumames and ancebas can do, delete my candid and factual post, coz they hurt them the most.)



Re: The Plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby revolutions » 10 Aug 2012, 09:57


Yakume wrote:
revolutions wrote:
Yakume wrote:C) The final goal of the TPLF is to secede from Ethiopia as an independent “Republic of Greater Tigray” by liberating the lands and peoples of Tigray.
This being the manifesto of TPLF in 1976, the question is how much of this program is implemented so far?


The TPLF program has two stages.

The first stage comprises the re-demarcation of Ethiopian internal boundaries by annexing the lands of Humera and Welkait from the region of Begemidir in Ethiopia, the land defined by Alewuha which extends down to the regions of Wollo and including Alamata, Ashengie, and Kobo. This has already been implemented. In addition, they have dismantled the entire Ethiopian Air Force from its original birth-place in Debre-Zeit and moved it to Mekelle. They built 3 international airports and several large office complexes to accommodate future embassy offices in Tigray.


The second stage is to acquire the lands of Eritrean Kunama which includes Badme, the Saho, and Afar lands including Assab. This plan was tried in 1998 with disastrous results. Nearly half a million unsuspecting Amhara and Oromo young soldiers were forced to invade Eritrea in order to carry out this second stage of the TPLF's manifesto.

When that didn't work out as planned, the woyanes started selling Ethiopian lands to foreign governments in exchange for diplomatic support at the UN in order to impose sanctions against Eritrea on fabricated charges, for the purpose of imposing arms embargo and a ban on the export of minerals, hoping to weaken the country's vital defense mechanisms. This plan has also failed to achieve the stated objectives.


This means many parts of Amhara, the Oromiya zone of Amhara, the Afar region, and parts of Eritrea will be under Tigray. Do you believe the Amharas and Eritreans will be happy with and accept this plan, or the issue is like Addisu Legesse with Legesse Meles?


By incorporating big chunks of Amhara land into Tigray, woyanes had hoped the Amhara people would react by launching an ethnically-based armed rebellion front to liberate the Amhara lands. When that didn't happen, in 2008 woyanes handed over 1600 square kilometers of Amhara land to the Sudan hoping to incite a rebellion in the Amhara region. This was also met with a muted reaction from the Amhara people. Woyane's mass expulsion of Amharic speaking Ethiopians from the Southern regions in early 2012 has also failed to push the Amhara people to breaking point.

Currently, the Amhara people are the only ethnic group in Ethiopia who are not seeking secession from the Ethiopian union, and if they can play their cards right, they have a tremendous opportunity to play a bigger role in restoring unity among all the other ethnic nationalities to help keep Ethiopia's sovereignty intact. But this requires a realistic and more pragmatic approach that acknowledges "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."(Albert Einstein)

The political heavyweights need to leave the past to history books and live in the present reality. Instead of wasting their time seeking powerful external allies to further their cause, they should form a strong national alliance to put an end to the historical class struggles and create a new Ethiopia. "More than economics, more than politics, a nation's culture will determine its fate," said the visionary leader Lee Kuan Yew who transformed Singapore from third world to first in one generation. Future governments in Ethiopia that choose to promote the deep-rooted culture of peace, tolerance and coexistence in Ethiopian society will have their work cut out for them. But the moment they indulge in ideological fallacies alien to the Ethiopian culture, they will wind up becoming servile puppets to self-serving foreign powers and the country may be lost for good.



Re: The plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby siren66 » 10 Aug 2012, 10:10


"Tigray Republic" is a red herring that many Ethiopians worry over for no good reason. As I have consistently mentioned, if there ever will be a Tigray republic, it would be a "construct" and for its continued survival it has to wage war of expansion - clearly an impossiblity for many many reasons. If I were Ethiopian, I wouldnt worry over it for one second but the level of education in Ethiopia is so bad that most people there live in world inhabited by angels and demons. Tigray Republic must feel even more immediate than the supernatural world they occupy. THAT IS AT THE HEART OF ALMOST ALL PROBLEMS IN ETHIOPIA>



Re: The plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby Yakume » 10 Aug 2012, 10:19


The Amharas and others have suffered and faced many challenges from bad regimes in Ethiopia. In the last 20 years, about 10 million people left Amhara community and back to their origin. The number is increasing. However, the Amharas and others in the border with Tigray are in their own homelands, and not demanding Tigray lands. So, why you as a part are part of the Tigary Kilil, and they may demand the same with Sudan and Rwanda. For your information, Oromos and Amharas people are the only ethnic groups in Ethiopia who are not seeking separation from the Ethiopia, but they can play their role and practice rights to be united or separated from Ethiopia.

Instability (internal conflicts and wars), internal displacement and refugees, conflicts and wars with the countries in the region, droughts and famines, and poor leadership are the only thing that, others can tell you about Ethiopia. These are because of expansions and extenuations of Amharas and Tigarians, and their bad leadership in Ethiopia. People believe that, Amharas and Tigarians leaders have no capacity to run and manage Ethiopia, and also not ready for democracy and peaceful transfer of power. In the case of Ethiopia, can we say, Tigray people are not in position to understand the basic elements of democracy or their leaders and political leaders have failed to develop good environment for their people and future. So, can the Tigrians change their attitude and plans about Ethiopia and Eretria, as well as issues about their people and geographic areas?



Re: The plan; Republic of Greater Tigray

Postby revolutions » 10 Aug 2012, 15:31


Yakume wrote:The Amharas and others have suffered and faced many challenges from bad regimes in Ethiopia. In the last 20 years, about 10 million people left Amhara community and back to their origin. The number is increasing. However, the Amharas and others in the border with Tigray are in their own homelands, and not demanding Tigray lands. So, why you as a part are part of the Tigary Kilil, and they may demand the same with Sudan and Rwanda. For your information, Oromos and Amharas people are the only ethnic groups in Ethiopia who are not seeking separation from the Ethiopia, but they can play their role and practice rights to be united or separated from Ethiopia.

Instability (internal conflicts and wars), internal displacement and refugees, conflicts and wars with the countries in the region, droughts and famines, and poor leadership are the only thing that, others can tell you about Ethiopia. These are because of expansions and extenuations of Amharas and Tigarians, and their bad leadership in Ethiopia. People believe that, Amharas and Tigarians leaders have no capacity to run and manage Ethiopia, and also not ready for democracy and peaceful transfer of power. In the case of Ethiopia, can we say, Tigray people are not in position to understand the basic elements of democracy or their leaders and political leaders have failed to develop good environment for their people and future. So, can the Tigrians change their attitude and plans about Ethiopia and Eretria, as well as issues about their people and geographic areas?


The overwhelming majority of Tigrayans are genuinely patriotic Ethiopians who never entertain the idea of secession. The TPLF regime that is hell-bent on creating the Greater Tigray Republic," is a collection of inferiority complex laden, backward group of individuals from Adwa, who have an inherent hatred for the Amhara and the Eritrean people. Such people thrive on chaos and they cannot, with their evil characters, be expected to change their attitude or abandon their plans for the destruction of both Ethiopia and Eritrea. They don't represent the Tigray people, but themselves and their own pockets. We are talking about people who expel families from the ancestral land and sell the land for $1 to foreigners.

Aside from the handful old folks whose minds are stuck in the medieval times and grow nostalgic over the bygone Feudal era, the new generation of Amhara have a progressive outlook for the future of their country and respectful attitude towards their fellow citizens from all other ethnic groups. Over the course of the past 21 years, woyane cadres falsely claiming to be Amhara have been tormenting the Oromo people through social media as part of a campaign trying to drive a wedge between the Amhara and the Oromo people. Nowadays, more and more people are becoming aware of the evil tactics woyanes use to divide Ethiopians.

In regards to democracy, I don't have any illusion that democracy is a solution to all the problems in Ethiopia, but I think its a good idea to start building the pillars of democracy, such as social justice. In my opinion, the best political system is the one that can be adopted to the unique circumstances the country is facing. Most African countries are burned trying to bake the "one-size-fits-all" democracy they imported from god-knows-where. The Oromo Gada system of government is the most authentic, genuine form of a democracy dating back thousands of years. Trying to "teach" democracy to the Oromo people who had actually invented democracy is like selling snow to Eskimos! Ethiopia is heterogeneous; rich in cultures, traditions, beliefs, values, religions and indigenous governance systems, it doesn't need to import anything except to bring its Diaspora population back home.

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