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Re: Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy??

Postby AFDist » 15 Feb 2009, 10:14


The stabbornness of Abyssinians will make your concept of "Independent Oromia in an Integrated Ethiopia" to be and remain fancy!!



Re: Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy??

Postby Obamajr. » 15 Feb 2009, 11:45


AFDist wrote:The stabbornness of Abyssinians will make your concept of "Independent Oromia in an Integrated Ethiopia" to be and remain fancy!!


Fight the useless dictator first. once this corrupt is gone. There will be a free and clean election. Who ever got the support of the Ethiopian people will be the Prime Minister of Ethiopia. Stop bragging about our fancy dream for now.



Re: Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy??

Postby AFDist » 29 Mar 2009, 15:25


Now it seems to be fact, not fancy!!!



Re: Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy??

Postby AFDist » 20 Jan 2010, 13:31


Yes it will be fact, no more fancy!!



Re: Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy??

Postby Eritriano » 20 Jan 2010, 13:43


Oromia will be liberated with Finfine serving as its capital.



Re: Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy??

Postby Mitmita » 20 Jan 2010, 14:25


Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy??


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Re: Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy??

Postby AFDist » 30 Mar 2010, 12:17


This is not fancy, it is the only solution for the region called Ethiopia!



Re: Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy

Postby AFDist » 26 Mar 2011, 08:20


As far as the Ethiopian empire is concerned, the right step to the right direction now is to rise up in unison, if we want to move from dictatorship to democracy, which is actually possible only in the decolonized nations, who are suffering under dictatorship of the rulers from their own respective nations. Even though I don’t think that liberation through democratization is so effective in empires like Ethiopia, where nations are fighting firstly for collective national liberation and then secondly for individual citizens’ liberty, we can take the unique situation of the Ethiopian empire into consideration and try to find a unique solution, such as a public uprising in unison (revolution)! Here is the necessity of reconciling the difference between the two opposition blocs against Woyane regime: the Amhara pro-integration bloc struggles for only ‘individual liberty’, whereas the Oromo pro-independence bloc fights for both ‘collective liberation and individual liberty’! This suggests that the struggle of the Amhara bloc (for individual liberty) can be considered as part of the struggle of the Oromo bloc (which includes individual liberty to collective liberation). Unless there is a sort of such compromise between these two opposition blocs to cooperate and coordinate their actions against the Woyane fascists, it is very easy for the Woyane to play the divisive political game by balancing the two blocs, beating them turn by turn as it did till now and by further making the two neutralize each other.

Oromo nation is the one who loses nothing, when Woyane loses everything through the possible revolution and especially if both freedom and democracy be realized in that country in the future, whatever the future type of sovereignity as a result will be: independent Oromia, true ethnic Federation or unitary Ethiopia. But, I think an independent Oromia in an integrated Ethiopia (collective national liberation including individual personal liberty) is the possible compromise solution for the hitherto face-off between the pro-independence Oromo forces and the pro-integration Amhara forces, so that they can work together to help the expected revolution erupt and to get rid of the fascist and racist Woyane. As far as the Oromo are concerned, I hope all Oromo patriots in all Oromo political organizations will agree with each other in the future and act in tandem to struggle for Oromian independence and Oromian unity, also taking into consideration the the necessary unity of the region at the following levels:

- at Finfinne level: to attain and maintain that Finfinne be the cultural, economic and political center of Oromo and Oromia; to be build as a core of our Oromo nation, that means Finfinne is like our Oromo heart; and to promote it be the center of all the other levels of unity; i.e the capital city of the unity at the level of Oromia, level of Ethiopia, level of the Horn and level of Africa.

- at Oromian level: in addition to having Finfinne as a core, to attain and maintain our national liberty and national unity in a form of Oromian independence and Oromian integration unconditionally, because Oromia is like our Oromo body.

- at Ethiopian level: after securing Oromian independence and Oromian unity, we do have no problem with a possible Ethiopian union, which can be considered as our Oromo inner clothing, like a shirt, which we can put on or take off based on our political will and our necessity.

- at the Horn level: a union, which will be based and build on an independent and an integrated Oromia, will be just advantageous for Oromia in particular, and for the Horn region in general, which is our Oromo middle clothing, like a coat.

- at African level: a federation/union with Finfinne as its capital or with Oromia as a center of African politics is simply a glory for Oromia, which is like our Oromo overcoat.

Last but not least, a compromise solution is not an optimal (best) solution. It is always a temporary solution till one will be in a position to demand the optimal result. That is why ‘Oromian autonomy within Ethiopian union’ (true ethnic federation = independent Oromia within integtrated Ethiopia = national self-determination with multi-national democracy = self-rule with shared rule = internal self-determination =…etc) is only a temporary solution for the Oromo question, as a prelude to the optimal solution, i.e a prelude to the referendum on: ‘Oromia autonomy within Ethiopian union’ vs ‘Oromian independence within African union’. A lasting and optimal solution is only the one, for which the Oromo majority will vote during the public verdict. The Oromo people have nothing to lose if we can decide per referendum in the future, be it for ‘independent Oromia’ or for ‘ethnic Ferderation’ or for ‘unitary Ethiopia’, as long as we can and will achieve both freedom and democracy. So, our future common values and virtues are these two concepts (freedom and democracy), for which we can have an all-inclusive alliance against the fascist and racist Woyane. I do believe that our colonizers (Abyssinian ruling class) also will be compelled in due time to learn accepting and respecting this vision as their own long term goal. Hopefully, the popular mass of both the Amhara and the Tigrai also will slowly start to struggle for the self-determination of their own respective nations in order to then forge the lasting commonly advantageous union of independent nations in the Horn region, based on the public verdict of all the stakeholders.

Related:
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Re: Independent Oromia in Integrated Ethiopia: fact or fancy??

Postby AFDist » 17 Jun 2011, 08:39


For the Oromo nationalists, national independence (Oromian independence) and regional integration (African/Cush/Ethiopian integration) are not in contradiction; but the two are "irreconcilable" for the Woyane agents with the 19th century mentality!

How Can We Overcome the Mentality of the 19th Century?

To make both a genuine national independence of Oromoland and a regional union of Cushland/Ethiopia/Horn of Africa be a reality and to help the struggle for freedom be successful, certain questions must be answered. For instance: despite the fact that the two BIG nations in the Ethiopian empire are under a very dire situation, why did they fail not to foster a unity of the Oromo liberation fronts or that of the Amhara democratic forces and not to form an alliance with each other or with the other anti-Woyane forces? One brilliant Oromo intellectual recently raised a nice question: “how can we overcome the mentality of the 19th century?” http://gadaa.com/oduu/9750/2011/06/14/m ... al-action/ The answer to this question can be: the only way for us to overcome this mentality is by embracing the 21st century mentality of democracy. The 19th century mentality of brute force and mischieve, under which few of the Oromo elites and most of the Habesha elites in the Ethiopian empire are suffering, is the backward mentality of the dictators (of the V-politicians); whereas the 21st century mentality is that of the democrats (of the Y-politicians), who do believe in human and national freedom to self-determination. For what do both the letters V and Y stand here? Who are these V or Y Oromo and Habesha politicians?

To understand the V-politicians, let’s just imagine a big letter V and try to visualize that at the bottom junction of the letter are the Tigrean dictators keeping the status quo of Tigrean hegemony; at the left top tip of the letter are the dictatorial independenists of the Oromo, Ogaden…etc; and at the right top tip are the dictatorial unitarists of the Amhara, Gurage….etc. If we look at the way how these three forces deal with each other, they just do want to achieve their respective goals unconditionally: the Tigrean hegemonists want to keep their domination at any cost, the dictatorial Oromo independenists try to achieve Oromian independence at any cost and the dictatorial Amhara unitarists also want to bring back their Amharinized and unified Ethiopia at any cost. Especially, the unconditional positions of the two opposition camps, i.e that of the unconditional independenist Oromo and that of the unconditional unitarist Amhara, who are antagonizing each other and continiously barking at each other, is a trillion dollar lottery, which the ruling Tigrean elites are enjoying now by further dividing and polarizing the two opposition camps, because of the fact that both the Amhara dictators and the Oromo dictators (the V-politicians of the two opposition camp) can not forge a challenging an all-inclusive alliance against the Woyane!

To see who the Y-politicians (the democrats in the two opposition camps) are, let’s just try to imagine a very big letter Y and try to distinguish four points on the letter (the bottom tip, the middle junction, the left top tip, and the right top tip). Then let’s imagine that the bottom tip is the status-quo of Ethiopian politics, where both the Amhara and the Oromo are under the tyranny of the Woyane; the middle junction is a point for freedom of both nations from the tyranny; the left top tip is the point of Oromian independence; and the right top tip is the point for Ethiopian union. Then let’s imagine that this letter Y is a route of the liberation journy for both the Amhara and the Oromo from the tyranny, from their present common situation, towards their short term and long term goals. Can we imagine that the democrats of these two oppressed nations do have a possibility to move from the bottom tip (point of tyranny) to the middle junction (point of freedom) together? This is our common route of the journey towards this common converging short term goal (kaayyoo) of freedom. Then after will come, the two diverging routes towards the two different and diverging long term goals of the two nations: the left top tip = Oromian independence (the long term goal of the Oromo liberators) and right top tip = Ethiopian union (the long term goal of the Amhara democrats).

Now if we could imagine this letter Y very well, it is not hard to comprehend that we need the Amhara-Oromo alliance (the all-inclusive alliance) to move from the status-quo of tyranny to the point of Freedom, not to move together to the right top tip (together to the Ethiopian union goal of the Amhara) or together to the left top tip (together to the Oromian independence goal of the Oromo people). After achieving our Freedom together, it is upto the Oromo public to decide per referendum which direction to move further: to the left top tip of Oromian independence or to the right top tip of Ethiopian union. If the Oromo majority will choose to move to the right top tip, then our long term kaayyoo will be similar to that of the Amhara democrats, i.e Ethiopian union. Otherwise, if the Oromo majority will choose to move to the left top tip, no Habesha dictator can hinder the Oromo nation from achieving this Oromian independence.

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