According to the 1976 TPLF Manifesto, the map of Tigray will look like this if Woyanne succeeds. Note that the Tigray border stretches to Red Sea. That may explain:
1) why Tigrean elites — even those who hate Meles — have soft spots in their hearts for Woyanne, and
2) they are obsessed with Eritrea, currently the only power in the Horn of Africa region that is capable of preventing the manifesto from becoming a reality.
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There is one thing TPLF shouldn't forget, they can have their greater tigrai, but they won't have it in peace, they have too much ethiopian blood in their hand, somalian blood in their hand, eritrean blood in their hand.
I can't wait for them to get lost to be honest.
Let us all, support the arm struggle so that we can get ride of them sooner rather than later.
God help Ethiopia
July 15th, 2008 at 4:01 AM
I think you have made some thing wrong the kingdom of Tigray has to strech upto the tip of eritrea, to Alewuha of wolo and up to Zarema of Gonder why are you confining to such a narrow area this is a historical fact that should not be distorted and it will become real whether you accept it or not.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:52 AM
that is also a part of Ethiopia not surprising me
July 15th, 2008 at 5:04 AM
Elias,
Thanks for raising this issue. I have seen this map in several occasions in different sources. I wish people don’t blame you, saying, you invented this evil map. However, I would think the same way if Tigrian people don’t claim like other EthiopianS the right of ethiopian people to have access to red sea because Ethiopia deserve to have it. It is also fair for 80 millions people to have access to the red sea coast for its historical link to it.
"Since the Boundary Commission exposed the government of Meles Zenawi for handing over maps and documents which enabled Eritrea to win sovereignty rights over undisputed Ethiopian territories from Assab to Badme, the Ethiopian people have maintained a unanimous stand that the masked Eritrean ruling group of Prime Minister Meles Zenawi has no legal nor moral rights to continue to rule the country, and has to resign without leading the country to violence"
Since Minilik time several thousands Ethiopians died for Ethiopian sovereignty over ASSAB port and those lost life was to keep ASSAB as Ethiopian territory and shouldn’t be in vane.
Assab should be the essential issue in every single Ethiopian daily life on which we have to battle. We have been told there are various alternative ports. We are already making use of these alternative ports. In using these alternative ports, we have lost millions of dollars. But by our not using Assab port, the Eritrean government has lost considerable income. So our use of Assab port, as long as this is undertaken according to international law or by force, is not something that we seek by submitting an application. So that we should raise the issue during every single opportunity we (Ethiopian) have in any scenarios of discussion and negotiation.
I would like to call to every single ethiopian in especial Tigrians sisters and brothers to never stop rising you voice to claim the ethipianism of ASSAB port and its habitant for the sake of those thousands Ethiopian died since Minilik time.
I am desperate to see the day a patriot Ethiopian prime minister occupying Minilik Betemengist. I guess I will see that occasion before I die. Otherwise, I know my children will inherit my straggle to recover Ethiopian historical port of ASSAB.
God bless Ethiopia
July 15th, 2008 at 5:17 AM
that is great if they do it
July 15th, 2008 at 5:28 AM
What is surprising is not just that the Woyane's dreamt of greater regional national state for which they died and killed for many years. But what is completely contradictory is why they failed to recognize the demands, the urges of the bulk of Ethiopian people for access to the sea and argue rather against public emotions. But still, it was when they were not even EPRDF, it was when they were bunch of locals. Do they have the same imagination today? Can they survive without the rest of Ethiopia? Can their land produce anything to feed them even for a season? Can they survive the power of the Shabians alone? I think, they are now well aware of the fact that if they dare, Shabians immediately roll over them from the mountains of Hamasien and Akaleguzai..kkkkkkk….
mignot ayikelekel yilal yager sew, wendime!!
July 15th, 2008 at 5:33 AM
this dream of woyanes will become nightmare.
"YEMAN BET FERESO YEMAN LIBEJI,YAWERIE MEFENECHA YEHONAL ENJI"
July 15th, 2008 at 5:48 AM
I don't think that they are after this plan now. They are heavily investing in Oromiya and they may want to stick around.
May God cut them off from us.
X
July 15th, 2008 at 5:51 AM
Meles Zenawi claims to protect and represent all Tigre speakers including those living in hs entity known as Eritrea. As an ethno-fascist and Tigre nationalist, Meles Zenawi does not care about the rest of Ethiopia. He says that Ethiopia is a recent creation of the Amharas (100 years old) and the obelisks of Axum are nothing to any Ethiopian in the south of the country. Like the nazi leader, Adolf Hiltler, Meles Zenawi has said that he is proud of being a tigrean and belonging to this golden and superior ethnic group. There is no doubt that the great majority of the Tigres (on both sides of the Mereb river) subscribe to his ethnicist (racist) ideology and support him. They are ready to sacrifice their lives for their supreme ethnic warlord, Meles Zenawi and keep the rest of Ethiopia under perpetual opprssion and poverty. Then, what are the rest of Ethiopians doing to liberate themselves from ethno-fascism and rescue their country? There should be awareness of this kind (this reality) among Ethiopians and the genuine opposition should mobilize the population to get rid of fascism. Ethiopians should not support any opposition working to accomodate fascism and submit to it. Instead we should stand with and support the genuine opposition fighting and struggling against this human scourge. It is becoming clear where Birtkun and co. are standing as regards this issue. They seem to be preparing to escort the ethno-fascists through taking part in another round of the coronation of the ethno-fascist, Meles Zenawi. The bogus elections are meant to serve as cyclical processed of coronation and legitimazing ethno-fascism in Ethiopia. They call it a democratic process and we call it a cyclical process of recrowning Meles Zenawi.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:50 AM
Elias, that's what I'm talking about! you are the man with balls that calls "spade is spade". Most Ethiopians in and outside don't really know the true color of weyanes as yet. Yes, as everybody they have a dream and their dream is the old dream: ONES UPON A TIME TIGRY WILL BECOME THE CONQUEROR OF AFRICA WITH THE HELP OF WEST'S WEAPONS. If there is any Ethiopian who doesn't this happening then they are hoodwinkled by weyanes "democracy, constitutions, development, nation and nationalities, and shaewia". What most people don't realize about these thugs are that there is no boundary to their immorality. They will say and they will do any fealthy tricks of all in the books of fealthiness. If you don't believe that just go ahead the people that had beein imprisoned by these thugs; it is unbelievable as to how any human being would do to such other human being; however, the Greater dream of Tigry is nothing but a dream in the tubes in will die in the tubes. Ones every Ethiopian realizes how these crooks operate they have no where to run and they have no where to hide because all of their hide outs are forbidden for them to come again be it Eritrea, Somalia, and Sudan.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:59 AM
What is wrong with the picure? Is it not what you and the
likes say that Assab is part and parcel of the Ethiopian
Empire?
Tell us something we do not know.Whre do you stand?
Is Assab Ethiopian or Eritrean?
July 15th, 2008 at 7:02 AM
When we concern about Tigray, gradually eriterea was given, the land of gonder down to gambella was given to sudan, eventually there are a lot of lands will be given from ethiopia, so that the ultimate goal of weyane to creat the greater tigray can be easily achived……GOBEZ LETS DO EVERY POSSIBLE FIGHT AGAINST WEYANE AROUND OUR AREA….LETS FIND THE BEST PARTIES AND JOIN THEM TO FIGHT WEYANE…..LETS STOP MOURNING AND LETS START BANGGING WEYANE'S HEAD BY ANY MEANS…..
July 15th, 2008 at 7:42 AM
The former province of Tigre has no geographical boundary line with the Sudan. It was the dream of Woyanes to steal land from neighboring provinces of Begender-Semien & Wollo.
They took it by force after they had consolidated power in Addis Abeba. Many people had resisted to reinstate their territories. The resistance is still continuing. One day this will be returned to the owners.It is a matter of time.
In fact the Woyaes came to power by the help of West Gondar and north Wollo fighter peasantries. The peasantries of those areas have contributed a lot for the demise of Derg. They were the vanguards of the whole armed resistance beside the Woyane Harnet Ginbar.
In order to bring about a modern and free democratic state of Ethiopia the people of North Wollo and West Gondar have sacrificed their life. But the Betrayers(Woyanes)did not allow them to share the fruit of the resistance.
In spite of all this contribution the Woyanes betrayed the combatants and marginalised them.
Wait! for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Generally speaking the Woyanes used the fighters of those areas as a tool to embark on power.
The Woyanes have reached their peak up to mid of 2005. Thereafter their power is slipping away for they are ignorant of civilized administrtion plus freedom.
They are simply"Netsanet yemayawqu netsa awchiwoch".
July 15th, 2008 at 8:10 AM
yes ! Abraha belay of ethio-media is the tigray manifesto lover- have you seen abraha belay suported meles in somalia and his only problem with meles is that he is not fast enough to realize this dream otherwise the reason Abraha hates the good relationship of genuine Ethiopians with Eritrea is that because that will end the life weyanes..that is why he day and night says shabia this shabia that…if Seye was in power Abraha belay would be his ministry of information…so dont get decieved by this sucjer!!
July 15th, 2008 at 8:10 AM
No question about it Elias,
Sooner or later, that is the solution to the Horn problem. But, then The Greater Tigray will continue to be the heart of the Greater Ethiopia and of course the greater horn. So, no matter what, that's going to happen!
The greater horn power, ETHIOPIA, will one day prevail; every body will be happy with…the Ethiopians, the Eritrean bros, the somalians and the djubtians!!
But, first, let the horn deal with its internal adversaries like ELIAS
That is the bottom line
July 15th, 2008 at 8:28 AM
Whats wrong with you all here ? You are faning genocidal attitudes. I trust that God will not allow any of you or your likes to be on leadership. Please please take time and wash up your evil thoughts. What are you upto ?????
July 15th, 2008 at 8:29 AM
it is not hard to see TPLF is very short sighted group. Any gov who want to stay in power doesnt behave like this. The disrepect they have for Ethiopian people is enermouse. When you visit the ideology of TPLF, it is parallel to Alula Aba Nega and Atse Yohanes. It doesnt surprise me to see the map. For the 17 years TPLF made the Tigray people believe they are invincible and they think they can do anything. The money they robbed will buy Ethiopa two times over if that is they counting on: they are very short sighted people. They change direction with the flow. It's only the dream of these functional leaders who want to be emperors and Queens of Ethiopia. You can see how first Lady acts, it will be her 15 minute of fame. For those who are still confused what TPLF/Eritrea ajenda was, it is to conquer Greater Tigray territories using Ethiopian people and lead and rob the country as long as they can and get back to their free Greater TIgray. This mission didnt go well as planed and they decided to creat chaos in side and out side Ethiopia thinking something good might come out fo the Tigray people. War is breaking out every where in Ethiopia except Tigray, Tigray is safe as heaven. When we join with Eritrea would be the day the take their last breath. Go G7
Regards,
July 15th, 2008 at 8:39 AM
I can't weight to see that. We have to be out of this all complexity.
I wish if that happen today!!!
Thanks,
July 15th, 2008 at 9:09 AM
The weyanne gang committed suicide by attacking Eritrea and this 'Abay Tigray'dream was hacked to pieces and buried in in the treacherous mountains of Eritrea 8 years ago. The Weyane's primary concern right now is enriching itself at the expense of the Ethiopian people before the sun sets.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:34 AM
TPLF has long abondoned that map, especially after they witnessed Eritrea independence from Ethiopia. They know it is a suicide move to declare Abay-Tigray as there won't be any economic base to run it for years to come.
But their plan is now to control the entire Economic centers in a way the Jews stuck themselves in the economic sectors of the U.S and Europe. then they will put a law that protects them and finally if they get pushed they will hand over power to Hodams like lidetu or Birtukan who can protect their interest.
July 15th, 2008 at 10:25 AM
What will Seye say about this? Lebas fight when they share. Like meles and Isayas. I'm so happy all Seyes Families are injail because they are lebas.
July 15th, 2008 at 10:51 AM
wechegud!
July 15th, 2008 at 10:55 AM
so what? This is not bad to ethiopia. But it is to eritrea. Are you representing your mothers blood.
If you have the courage, go and try the armed struggle. The brave agazi are eagerly waiting for you. Try it. Only talk.
July 15th, 2008 at 10:57 AM
The Woyanne will be welcomed to cut themselves off, but NEVER OUR LAND!!!! NEVER!!!!!
July 15th, 2008 at 11:04 AM
All this is hula bula and yahoo,
Do you really think this as something credible? Sure few narrow minded TPLF cadres might have had some out of touch dreams and hallucinations during the struggle. They fully know that Tigrians will allways be Ethiopians since they are parcel and paramount in forming the empire of Ethiopia. Power struggle among the Ethiopian ethinics has been around for thousands of years and that has been the norm through out our glorious history, however, nationalsim is what held the country firmly unified. For political convinince the TPLF regime might come up with such agenda that they might even don't believe it would materialize, but let us not dwell on some day dream that has no practicality nor acceptablity. Look where Eritrea is, do you think they are enjoying their so called freedom? I doubted very much, they may think they have a nation but what they really have is a situation in chaos, it will never work. I honestly believe it is a matter of few years before Eritea is returned back to Ethiopia. So let us not make such manifesto a big deal, it may have been concieved in the early days of the struggle for an intended purpose which I have no idea what that purpose was. However, what ever that purpose might had been if it was intended for post Derg regime, it may have out used its purpose since the reality in the ground changed dramatically. EPRDF suddenly became the guarian of the state of Ethiopia and had full responsibility in maintaining the state in peace and security. TPLF invested heavily billions of dollars in the state of Oromia, Amhara and in the state of south and southern people. Just because there was some hula bula communist manifesto jotted down in the jungle by few TPLF cadres, does not mean anything if the reality in the ground is different. When the situation changes you have to be up for a change otherwise you might be swept up by the blowing change. Look even Sudan is heading towards to unknown destiny just by the events that took place with in the past 24 hours. What do you think will happen if infact Alibeshir is indicted and arrested? things might head into the situation like that of Somalia. Now, think of the what ever agreement Meles and Alibeshir might have had regarding any thing about greater Tigrai, if there is such a thing ofcourse? don't you think such goal is in jeapordy? and needed rethinking by the TPLF? and couldn't it just be another manifesto that may never materliaze? think rationaly please.
God help Ethiopia
July 15th, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Elias, Eritreans are not like Gonderians and Wolloyes (or you can call them Amharas). They will fight for their land and they will fight hard. More than anything else, they know woyane very well. The woyanes are now creating the fact on the ground in the conficicated lands of Amhara in Gonder and Wollo. They settled their people, killed prominent individuals in the area, raped their girls to give birth to a woyane, and forced their kids to learn tigrigna. This cannot happen in Eritrea!!! I would say that both Ethiopians and Eritreans are proud. But, I think, Eritreans are more proud. They cannot stand that kind of humilliation.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:22 AM
IF TPLF Elites and beneficiaries of its crime think that After they Spill and Soacked by Eritreans,Oromos,Amharas,Somalians and Gurages and All Ethiopians bloods and form a nation called "greater Tigrai" I donot wanna be them to deal with the quencequences .I hope they also be able to see that Their crime will not pass Unpunished at the End -
July 15th, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Tigray is part of Ethiopian and it will remain Ethiopian. If the extremists or/and TPLF like it or not. However, TPLF never has been for Tigray as their name indicates. If they were for Tigreay:
1. Wouldn't have killed many Tigreans during the "struggle" time and now.
2. They wouldn't have destroyed Ethiopia the same country Ancestors of Tigreans died for. Example, Ezana, Kaleb, Yohanes, Alula…etc
3. Tigreans benefit from unity of Ethiopia not from disintegration, which is what the Woyanes are doing.
4. They shouldn't have signed and begged UN the secession of Eritrea
and when Meles was asked by Mr. Cohen that Ethiopia needs access to the sea meles's respond was "no that is Eritrean. We don't need it"
5. Even TPLF Tagays were killed because they oppose the independence of Eritrea and this is documented. They tried to convince the Tigrean people that Eritrea is a colony of Ethiopia. However, almost all Tigreans opposed it. It was implemented against the wish of the Ethiopian people.
6. Woyane is working day and night to rally other Ethiopians against Tigrean people so that they will claim later that "we tried to be one, but you see they (other Ethiopians) don't like us. Thus, we should be independent"
If they were for the people of Tigray as their name (TPLF) indicates they would have worked for peace amongst the Ethiopian people. They are planting time bombs against Ethiopian in general and Tigreans in particular.
These are just few examples.
All their deeds are against Tigrean Interest in particular and all of us Ethiopians in general, thus this group is a MAFFIA group and the only interest they have themselves and immediate family.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:44 AM
TPLT ites SOAKED BY ETHIOPIANS ERITREANS AND SOMALIANS BLOODS FOR SO LONG AND I SURE HOPE THEY ALSO BE READY TO DEAL WITH CONCEQUENCES
July 15th, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Now we know why Ethiopia is landlocked.
What a stupidity on the Tigrians part. What is sad about all this is that they are wasting billions of Ethiopian money, killing thousands of people, destroying the regions stability for going no where.
Print and distribute the map or the disturbing fact for all to see.
Hopefully we will not be lectured by the Tigrian Bandits how Elias is bad or a Shabian.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:14 PM
It Is apure lie it never and will happen. Do not spread hetrade on Tigrians they are the one on front line the right to claim Ethiopia as their country. We have to Read Ethiopian History
July 15th, 2008 at 12:24 PM
My friends, be honest
I hate the arrogance of Meles but let's face the facts:
1. Shabia is in no postion to frighten TPLF. TPLF has defeated Jebha and Shabia soundly.
2. Some of MY friends think that TPLF and Tigraina people are different. I do not think so. A tigrean I knew told me" NO SELF RESPECTING TIGREAN OPPOSES TPLF,".
3. Hatred will only bring destruction, let deal with TPLF as realty of ethiopan politics.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Why do you want to have Eritrea back? Remember it is country of its own that will be sustained by its people. The country has people that will work day and night to enure its development, growth and true political independence. So my friends in any year from now think about Eritrea that will be a peaceful neighbor to Ethiopia, with comparative advantage for a productive exchange — like the ports and its to be booming industrial products etc. Never think of it coming back to Ethiopia and return to silent 'colony'.
I know that most of you here want it back for the sake of the port — without it you spit. Please realize that it is a country at least for now with sovereign people.
Eritrea shall prosper!
July 15th, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Feyissa Woyessa (Comment #9) and Ye Tigrai sew (25)
It is people like you, who are ignorant and chauvinist that are helping the stay of Weyane in power. You know, that it is a matter of time for the Weyanes to go. It will happen. But, what may remain is the "Hatred and animosity" you people are spreading between the peoples of Eritrea and Ethiopia! You guys may be enjoying life abroad, but our people at home are living in misery and anybody who cajoles to prolong that misery is criminal. Never mind about how our Eritrean brothers ad sisters are living in Eritrea, just mind your God damn business on how life is in your own country (if you are Ethiopians that is). You see, it really does not matter how you want to vilify the Eritreans for they could care less about your hatred towards them for they know you are being childish at best and myopic at worst. Next time before you start writing and crying "akaki zeraf", think about what problem you are creating for our peoples. I am not going to discuss such silly arguments that Eritrea will be reoccupied by Ethiopia. I wouldn't have anything to do with that. I would have liked if there was a peaceful way to join forces with our Eritrean and Ethiopian brothers and sisters. But, I do not support any kind of force or coercion to make that happen. Why? Firstly, Eritrea is legally a sovereign country PERIOD! Secondly, the Eritreans are very proud people that they are always ready to defend their country and should some benign forces initiates some hostility in the name of "Greater Tigray" or "Ethiopia tikdem" philosophy, it is sure to be a no starter. But, it would prolong the suffering of our people and undo the healing process that we all should aim for. Frankly, I am sick and tired by some of the Weyane supporters that usually come under some Oromo pen name to make us believe that the Weyane thugs are supported by other Ethiopians outside of their power base of Tigrai. That is a fallacy only those types of writers are willing to entertain.
Finally, why don't you people stop accusing Elias for siding on the side of truth by calling him all sorts of names? I see Elias as an Ethiopian who cares about his country, Ethiopia and has the farsightedness to realize the benefits of working with the neighboring countries and especially Eritrea. That is a pragmatic approach that should be supported and encourages by many Ethiopians if they indeed care about the welfare of their country. Short of that to call him "Eritrean" doesn't prove anything. He could be an Eritrean and I do see anything wrong with that. But, there are no persons who claim to know his offing of an individual MORE than himself. In many AV interviews he held, he always said he was Ethiopian. What is this crap that "You are Eritrean" “your mother is Eritrean” coming from the confused and inferiority infested Weyane supporters? Like I said, if he is an Eritrean, I still love him for what he does and not necessarily for the accident of being from one nationality. We are what we are simply by the accident of being born from our parents. Did we have any say on the matter? Nop, of course not! Please let our people be free and do not pretend you know it all for you are silly and arrogant at best.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Guys Please!! Don't think like Weyane.Tigray is part of Ethiopia & Most Tigrean think they are Ethiopians. They fought for the Souvernity of Ethiopia in the past & they will in the Future.
Ethiopia will Prevail.God Bless Ethiopia.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:46 PM
yeah,,that is very interesting. elias, may be that is woyannes plan b or c. but, if they couldn't opress the ethiopian people for ever they have to have some other exit strategy. they have to fan hate speech, like meles did in 2005 and have to convince our tigrians brothers and sisters to create tigriance republic.
it is not impossible as long as the tigrians , the sons and doughters of the great yohannes 2nd,,willing to carry woyannes ,,why not? woyannes plan is to scare all tigrians if they loose power that will be the end of the world for all tigrians. but,ofcourse that is ridicules. that is how woyanne wanted to be in power if possible all over ethiopia,,if not atleast in tigrai till the 2nd coming of jesus.
Be aware of that…for woyanne what matters is money,,and power,,doesn't care about anything else. ofcourse, they do not care about their country.in a recent history, i do not recall any person or organization selling their own country land to foreighners. so, tigrai republic, if that helps them to stay in power …why not? u have to understand them… have you ever heard any woyanne official saying that that tigrai republic map was wrong. have any woyanne,,realy condemned about the mentallity of creating such a map. ofcourse no. because it is their part of their contingency plan to create chaos and destruction to ethiopia.
we do not need any professor to tell us whether woyanne is the enemy of ethiopia. if there was freedom and ask this question to every single ethopian living in that land, i am sure over 90%, will tell u, woyanne is number one enemy of ethiopia. who created land locked ethiopia?who gave away land to sudan? who has rained bullet in the middle of the day in 2005 over innocent ethiopian..who systematically has been creating hate and distrust among ethiopians..who went over the unthinkable and killed and massacre the ogaden people..who is killing and arresting every day our oromo brothers and sisters..who has tried to incite the rest of ethiopia on the amharas..saying that it is time to kill amharas..nevertheless the ethiopian people did not kill each other as per woyanne plan..thank God,,all the people of ethiopia know the number one enemey of ethopian is woyanne and only woyanne.
Be God with us and with our contnuous struggle One day ethiopia will be free.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Dear enemar,
We know that all tigreans are not woyanes. But we also know that all woyanes are tigreans!
We know that all tigreans are not benefiting from woyane. But we also know that all who benefited from woyane are tigreans.
Now woyane controls everything including the business and the bureaucracy. It uses its own members.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Listen every one…WOYANE TIGRAY with its SISTER/BROTHERs of ion nationalities of ETHIOPIA will fight so hard to secure peace and prsperity in Ethiopia and the horn of AFRICA…GREATER TIGRAY WILL ALWAYS BE PART OF the GREATER ETHIOPIA…those of you who would like to believe otherwise..you can hang your self. SOONER the so called boundries will be meaningless and HORN AFRICA will be free for all of US…THIS the GREAT BIGGER PICTURE…that seems only MELES and his party can immagine and understand and re actually WORD towardsthat.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Do you think it is ato Meles alone to blame for the various problems and atrocities in Ethiopia to-day? How about those who are using him as shield and by so doing at the same time benefiting ? It is a fact that these king makers are equally responsible and be held accountable. They are the main culprits.They have to be told in the face, by name. What do you think?
July 15th, 2008 at 2:25 PM
The next move of Weyane is declaration of war on Eritrea to claim Aseb. Some fool Ethiopians will die for it; others have no choice but herded at gun point to their death. Not only Weyane, but all Ethiopian intellectuals are to blame for the death of our country and people.
Prof Mesfin hypnotizes nationalist Ethiopians by preaching peaceful struggle. He advise us not die fighting Weyane. But we never heard of him saying “don’t die for Weyane”.
By the time peaceful struggle takes root, Ogaden Gambela and Oromia are gone. Half of the job is already done by Weyane for those liberation fronts. The young liberation fighters are well prepared mentally for fatal blow to Ethiopian empire. Great Tigray is just a dream. That dream is slowly but surely is changing into nightmare by other dreamers like Somalis, Oromos and other liberation fighters.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:28 PM
amilak gelagelen new yemibal gobez
July 15th, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Thank you Ato Elias for bringing this out and reminding the readers what an evil creature TPLF has been and still is. I have always said it is better to have at least one journalist like you and one source like Ethiopian Review where things and events are called by thier real names qualified by the approprte adjective.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:04 PM
When you have CANCER in you body there is no peace of mind, WEYANE is that CANCER for beautiful Ethiopian people for 18 years, so lets pray together all Ethiopians when they are gone we will be CANCER free.
ONE ETHIOPIA
ONE PEOPLE
ONE NATION
WHEN IS THE DAY, I WILL HAVE BIG PARTY EVERY ONE IS INVITED FOR REAL.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:27 PM
They can dream. " Deha behilmu kibe bayeteta norro dirket begedelew neber" hahahah
July 15th, 2008 at 7:15 PM
where is the land of the Afar – these guys are really stupid and moronic – their poputaltion is not that much more than the people living in the area – and their military equipment and ascaries wont go too far – tplf thinks it is dominating the area – wait until the Bush administration and the Europians turn their bank on them – the members of tplf are all registered as terrorists and will soon be hunted by ICC just like Beshir their friend
July 15th, 2008 at 7:25 PM
this greater tigray was not started by weyane. in the 50's and 60's some eritreans thought that the aksumite kingdom was mainly in eritrea and tigray and tigrigna speakers were dominant powers for long time untill the death of atse yohannes. and they brought the idea of TIGRAY-TIGRIGNI. That didn't find success in eritrea but in tigray. tigray like weyane believed in tigrigna speakers supremacy and thought to create GREATER TIGRAY that includes eritrean tigrigna speakers and the red sea. But then the weyane were weak military and need help from shabiya. and shabiya warned them that this can never happen. So they changed their struggle for tigray people freedom. But this dream of ABAY(GREATER) TIGRAY remained in the DREAM OF WOYANE and sometimes surfaces. I can say some ethiopians really don't understand about shabya and woyanne. The problems of today in the horn of africa are due to the relation between shabiya and woyanne. some ethiopians don't care to understand who are shabiya and woyanne, they just want ASSAB back.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:37 PM
TO: Ye Tigray lij.
I don't want to add too much to what Weqaw has stated to your baseless and chauvinistic statements about Eritrea. He said it quite eloquently. I just want to remind you though that Eritrea, despite the obstacles created by you and your likes, is moving forward. You've shown us your hatered in 1998 when you falsely accused Eritrea of invading Ethiopian land and waged a devastating war and deported thousands of Eritreans and Ethiopians of Eritrean origin in a most inhumane way possible. Mind you, most of the deportees were women either too young or too old to pose any threat to Ethiopia's security. This is a clear indication as to how much hatred the TPLF and it's supporters have towards Eritreans.
Interestingly, ye tigray lij, instead of appologizing and correcting your past mistakes, you're still agitating Ethiopians to fight your war. A war to establish "Abay Tegry" by destroying Eritrea. Keep on Dreaming for Eritreans are looking beyond that and working to establish an uncorrputed and self reliant nation.
Ethiopian people will no longer be fooled by your sugar-coated evil agenda that will benefit no one, not even the people of Tigray.
July 15th, 2008 at 8:01 PM
TPLF knows it will all be over when it decides to take axum from the Ethiopian people. It will be over for amdam TPLF and amdam shabias soon any ways. ETHIOPIA will be one again from the semain mountains to the ogaden deserts. ONE ETHIOPIA
July 15th, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Elias, it is people like you who would force The tigray people to declare independence. You are full of hatred.
July 15th, 2008 at 10:29 PM
There is a positive thing in it.
I hope we one day we will see Greater Tigray kuhuleity encompassing all its people from all areas(Adi Arqay,Wolqait,Indaselassie,Temben, Raya,Enderta, Agame,Mendefera,Asmara,Keren,Batsi'e, A'sseb and all the neighbourhoods)within Greatest Ethiopia.
To have a Greatest Ethiopia, it is a must to have a Greater Tigray. So, I am not able to see anything wrong in the downsized map.
July 16th, 2008 at 3:30 AM
Surprising!! Don't you know that the Axumite kingdom was rulling upto Yemen in the North and Madagascar to the south? pls read the history that was written by your anciestors not by WOYANE. So do not feel inferiority complex that you don't have history to tell about. Just accept facts. The strong Axumite kingdom is now on its way to rule for 1000 years What will happen to you?
July 16th, 2008 at 4:51 AM
I have a QUESTION???????? and the ANSWER too.
Q1) Do you know WHY Woyane and Shabya broke relationship during the late 80's?
A1) YES. it is because shabya insist the woyane's to change their policy and straggle strategy (starting from changing their name from Tigray Peoples Libration Front(TPLF)- to – EPRDF or any other name that represent the whole Ethiopians People struggle)in exchange of military and diplomatic support from Shabya.
They refused….no support…. followed by 3 years military and diplomatic defeat …. their very existence came to the balance… then back to their normal sense … and decided to stick with Shabya's plan – EPRDF.
Q2) If Shabia liberate Eritrea (which was certain!) and if Woyane were allowed by shabia to go with Greater Tigray, do you think the present form of Ethiopia will be hold?
A2) NO! Ethiopia would be history, thanks to Esayas Afeworki of Shabiya.
By then:-
- Think of OLF who fought for the liberation of Oromia State.
- Think of Alithad and ONLF who fought for the liberation of the Ogaden State.
- Think of the many other "Anasa Biher" who fought for their rights …..
Esayas Saved Ethiopia …. if you don't know about it folks.
The war now we are engaged with Meles and co. is as a reprisal to punish Esayas for hijacking their great dream (Abay Tigray).
As of these days, I can't guarantee you guys Esayas will save you for the second time ….. am not so sure ….
Hope you SAVE yourselves this time.
Choma ras hula.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:26 AM
Tazabi. kkkkkk
You made a great comment but why you added "Choma ras hula"? What is that for?
Tatbo chika
July 16th, 2008 at 10:33 AM
We Eritreans wish and hope that you Ethiopians will come to Eritrea in good faith as naighbor to work, to have fun and to help each other. Please please and again please stop to dream about endless blood and let us start work together.
1. We can help you driving out Weyane for never ever see and you can help us to be a good naighbor for ever.
2. We can give you a sea access with very low tax and you can give us a good naighbor with very low hiding agenda.
3 We can be Africas richest countries together, because these two countries got all what all African countries haven´t. Sea, Addis Rain, Gold, hard worker people, in short Eritrea and Ethiopia can rule Africa.
Please be a good naighbor and don´t dream about things that not belongs to you.
We Eritreans are always ready to help you and so you have to do, then you´ll see that you don´t had to dream because brothers can be complementary.
May God help Ethiopia to find her true self
May God help Ethiopia to accept her sister Eritrea.
Peace to all Ethiopian and Eritrean people and down with Weyane.
July 16th, 2008 at 3:27 PM
NICE EXPOSURE
July 16th, 2008 at 6:09 PM
"Eritrea"
Well said pal and that is the only way forward to mutual progress and development.
July 17th, 2008 at 3:23 AM
It is good, even nicer to differentiate between Ethiopians in Tigraye from the Meles Naziawi and his criminal individuals collaborators.
The best solution to avoid any further harm and to reverse the harm alredy done to our country, Ethiopians must take their Ethiopia and their lives in their own hands. The Meles Naziawi regime must be removed by any available means and ways so that old dream of those anti-Eethiopia members of the distructive organizations shall indefintely be shattered into pieces of nightmares, thereby there won't be the greater thing but nothing but an intact Ethiopia in its orginality as it was passed onto us from the commandable ancestors of ours.
Asab and the rest Historically, spritually, and geographically what belongs to Ethiopia is ours and will remain so indefinitelly.
God and Ethiopia is great. When there is no God and Ethiopia, there is no life and the motherland Ethiopia. In short, there can nver be sweet peace while a part of Ethiopia is missing form the hearts and minds of Ethiopians and there can never be a meaniningful life without the whole Ethiopia, and there can nver be peace without the victory oever our enemies. God bless Ethiopia and amen.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:37 PM
first of all why you ethiopians always say asseb is ethiopian asseb belong to us never once i saw an ethiopian say anything concerning the afars,you are taking their land just to get acces to the sea but you dont care about them or what they think,no wonder the afar in eritrea say they rather give their land to isreal than ethiopia getting it back.the afar in eritrea has alot of martyrs for the independance of eritrea but not one afar from ethiopia died to get rid of the derg regime,now you see why when the afar in ethiopia say we want to be one with eritrean afars they dont share the same feeling.
secondly about this map eritreans knew about it from 1975 when it came out not 1976 and that was one of the main reason elf fought against tplf who eplf sided with them in the late 70's because they didnt want to give them a land they knew tplf would keep even if eritrea is free and guess what they fought over?u guessed right BADEME.
In 1991 my uncle was one of the advancing forces with the eplf tank division that entered addis,the first group that entered addis and once the capital was secured few days after he was ordered to go outside addis to secure an eplf meeting with an oromo oppostion,it didnt make sense to him at that time but he reliased that tplf tried to play games with the independance of eritrea and tried to slow it down hopefully so they can destroy the idea of eritrea seperating but this move send a clear signal to meles that if you are not going to sign then you will be shelved and get some1 else who would sign and take power in ethiopia,the next day after that meeting meles agreed to sign for the seperation via referndum to be held in 2 years and signed the papers knowing he almost put the greater tigray dream to rest.remember in 1991 eplf was probarly 3 to 4 times stronger than tplf they had 6 tank division tplf didnt even had one tank,eplf had 3 commando's platoons tplf didnt had one commando so tplf had to obey or be the quickest shelving of a goverment in the history of human kind.
back to asseb if you ethiopians want to take it back by force one thing you have to understand,this war will be destructive and if you think eritreans fighting for 40 years was tough you should know that you have to kill every eritrean to get that land,saudia,yemen,egypt,libya,uae and qatar already said that if ethiopia tried to retake eritrea by force they will most likely join the war in a formal way if eritrea's soverignty is on the balance.after all they invested alot in the last 40 yrs to eritrea's fight for freedom to let colonist amhara or tagaro who think they live in the axum era to play the colonist "i keep what i grab" game.
if you try to take it legally you have no case you sold it to the italians for few guns and gun powder and ITS NOT FOR SALE BACK it belong to us by oau colonial 1956 treaty.
July 18th, 2008 at 8:31 AM
History is a fact and tells nothing but the truth;well, Ethiopians tell their globally known good history supported by facts.
There wasn't a time that Arabs either directly or indirectly attempted to destroy Ethiopia, although they failed terribly before God and Ethiopians.
The following enemeis attempted to conquer Ehiopia and failed indefinitely:- Egypt, the Ottoman, the Derivish, and the last but not the least, the Italian Bastards were defeated and burried along with their guides down into the deepest grave that was dug by their loyal guides. This is fact.
Well, Shabya and tplfwoyanae collaborated and invaded Ethiopia;again, the fact is, they will meet their unlucky fate on that chosen day at the spot of the enemies choice.
What belongs to Ethiopia will remain Ethiopia. All those lands and waters stolen by Shabya and woyanae shall be retaken by the mighty ones. This will remain universal fact eternally. God bless Ethiopia and down with the enemies of Ethiopia.
July 18th, 2008 at 7:54 PM
I think you forgot what the Axumite empire stretched to and that is the tigrayan history and land. Everything you were told about Ethiopia is Tigrayan in origin.
July 18th, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Not bad at all. If Tigray stretches like that no problem as long as it is part of Ethiopia. Ethiopia deserves to have its own sea port and map of Tigray which you have presented seems to include our historical port, Asseb. I am infavour of that if it happens.
Not shame as you feel Elias.
Haki
July 20th, 2008 at 6:08 AM
As being a non-tigri person myself, I find it sad and tragic to see the hatered b/n the tigrai speaking tigris of eritrea and tigrai and it shows me why the horn of africa is drawning in blood. You people need to get off your superior high horses and get back to earth. Millions have died for the last 30 years b/s of your superior dream and what have you both got for it: a sad and starving population, for what. Over 120,000 lives lost in two years for what. You both talk about Ethiopia is progressing or Ertrea is progressing, but in reality both countries are failed states. There are thousands of ppl from both countries fleeing poverty and political killings.
So wake up from your ethno infested dream and see the reality on the ground. It is thinking like this that is draging Africa back to the dark ages.
July 23rd, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Elias,
I admire how you run a brainstorming topics,
I am agree with commentator
#20. ZENASH and
#36. SATENAW
God Bless all poor people in the WORLD.
ETHIOPIA WILL PREVAIL!!!!!
July 25th, 2008 at 11:46 AM
ALL money and wealth aquired illegally will be questioned and recovered to an Ethiopian central bank. So woyane's dream will shatter any way
July 26th, 2008 at 6:16 PM
Tigray can draw its DREAM MAPS stretching as far north as Egypt. So what?
July 27th, 2008 at 9:13 AM
We know how many twist and turns, lies and deceptions the Weyne's made, nothing new at all. They're still doing it. They will do it till their death. Because they are made for it. One thing for sure is weyanes will not take un inch of land from eritrea. That will be their final day. Sick of weyane lies.
July 29th, 2008 at 5:38 PM
You are a jewel!! Did you notice Ethiomedia has taken your website from the list. Hey! bro cries when motherland tigray is on the radar. Please post Mekelle in picture. It's modelled after Paris. Good job!!
August 1st, 2008 at 5:31 PM
It is not new, it has been part of the Axumite kingdom so don't brag about greater Tigray, it is part of Ethiopia and it will be part of Ethiopia always.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Woyannes are greedy,short-sighted.Instead of illegally carving out chunks of lands from Afar,Wollo,Gondar and Eritrea(an attempt)and trying Greater Tigrai,they could have made it a region, a large region-based on geographical proximity,social,economic and cultural factors through the blessing of the parliament.
They could apply the same model on the rest of the regions.But the problam with the Woyannes is that they act like foreign invaders.They loot,make all sorts of treachery,murder,imprision,monopolize political and economic power.They don't the ability to think that they are living in the Ethiopian society and that one day all their evil acts will backfire.
September 7th, 2008 at 8:25 PM
yaya wrote
"In 1991 my uncle was one of the advancing forces with the eplf tank division that entered addis,the first group that entered addis and once the capital was secured few days after he was ordered to go outside addis to secure an eplf meeting with an oromo oppostion,it didnt make sense to him at that time but he reliased that tplf tried to play games with the independance of eritrea and tried to slow it down hopefully so they can destroy the idea of eritrea seperating but this move send a clear signal to meles that if you are not going to sign then you will be shelved and get some1 else who would sign and take power in ethiopia,the next day after that meeting meles agreed to sign for the seperation via referndum to be held in 2 years and signed the papers knowing he almost put the greater tigray dream to rest."
elias read the above comment which is widely told by eritreans and contrast it with your remark where you said "shabia didnt want to secede eritrea from ethiopia".
September 26th, 2008 at 12:50 PM